Hello everybody. I'm using the rudder plugin for flutter, but today I'm getting this error when building the app in android, I've switched to the latest version of the plugin, I did the flutter clean, cd android ./gradlew clean and nothing worked.

Note: /Users/Downloads/flutter/.pub-cache/hosted/pub.dartlang.org/firebase_core-1.4.0/android/src/main/java/io/flutter/plugins/firebase/core/FlutterFirebaseCorePlugin.java uses or overrides a deprecated API.
Note: Recompile with -Xlint:deprecation for details.                    
Note: /Users/yuca/Downloads/flutter/.pub-cache/hosted/pub.dartlang.org/flutter_keyboard_visibility-5.0.2/android/src/main/java/com/jrai/flutter_keyboard_visibility/FlutterKeyboardVisibilityPlugin.java uses or overrides a deprecated API.
Note: Recompile with -Xlint:deprecation for details.                    
/Users/Downloads/flutter/.pub-cache/hosted/pub.dartlang.org/rudder_sdk_flutter-1.0.2/android/src/main/java/com/rudderstack/sdk/flutter/RudderSdkFlutterPlugin.java:207: error: cannot find symbol
                RudderClient.updateWithAdvertisingId(                   
                            ^                                           
  symbol:   method updateWithAdvertisingId(String)                      
  location: class RudderClient                                          
/Users/Downloads/flutter/.pub-cache/hosted/pub.dartlang.org/rudder_sdk_flutter-1.0.2/android/src/main/java/com/rudderstack/sdk/flutter/RudderSdkFlutterPlugin.java:215: error: cannot find symbol
                RudderClient.setAnonymousId((String) argumentsMap.get("anonymousId"));
                            ^                                           
  symbol:   method setAnonymousId(String)                               
  location: class RudderClient                                          
Note: /Users/Downloads/flutter/.pub-cache/hosted/pub.dartlang.org/rudder_sdk_flutter-1.0.2/android/src/main/java/com/rudderstack/sdk/flutter/RudderSdkFlutterPlugin.java uses or overrides a deprecated API.
Note: Recompile with -Xlint:deprecation for details.                    
Note: /Users/Downloads/flutter/.pub-cache/hosted/pub.dartlang.org/rudder_sdk_flutter-1.0.2/android/src/main/java/com/rudderstack/sdk/flutter/RudderSdkFlutterPlugin.java uses unchecked or unsafe operations.
Note: Recompile with -Xlint:unchecked for details.                      
2 errors                                                                
                                                                        
FAILURE: Build failed with an exception.                                
                                                                        
* What went wrong:                                                      
Execution failed for task ':rudder_sdk_flutter:compileDebugJavaWithJavac'.
> Compilation failed; see the compiler error output for details.        
                                                                        
* Try:                                                                  
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* Get more help at <https://help.gradle.org>

Hey all! How should we go about maintaining the 

users

 table when things change but the user doesn't log in for weeks/months or never logs in again? Because otherwise we end up with stale data in the 

users

 and 

identifies

 tables that could cause things like BI tools, email automation, etc, to not work as desired. Example: a user's subscription churns but they never log in again. (cc: @boundless-insurance-79294!)

Hello, we need help. It’s been 15 days since our last event was passed from Rudderstack to posthog for our React Native app!! for context here is our initial thread: https://rudderstack.slack.com/archives/C01E4PLB135/p1637556800407400

Hi @early-stone-68655 @narrow-rain-89253, Can you or someone can help to integrate Grafana or Datadog with open source RS. We are not able to detect the errors without it and our router gets into degraded after some 20K events sent. Also there is no error printing also as such we see inside the Rudder-server logs

hi, i am running rudderstack with helm. currently i am getting this error and server is in

degraded

mode.

Could not run warehouse database migrations: Could not run migration from directory 'warehouse', Dirty database version
14. Fix and force version.

i am also seeing this in the log:

2021-11-25T07:49:12.364Z	ERROR	Failed request succeeded after 2 retries, URL: <http://my-release-rudderstack-transformer:9090/v0/am>
2021-11-25T07:49:12.474Z	ERROR	Failed request succeeded after 1 retries, URL: <http://my-release-rudderstack-transformer:9090/v0/am>

how can i fix that? thanks.

I signed up for the cloud free account via the google login but ended up with an account that has dataplane N/A and no option to upgrade. This is probably due to not "signing up" for initially logging with a gmail account. Is it possible to migrate my account to cloud or to remove this "limbo account" so I can can sign up for the cloud?

Hi. I'm receiving events to my rudderstack running on the docker, but they are not recorder to the postgress db. I guess the problem is here.

how to fix it?

Before, my RudderStack docker instance was running for more than a year without any troubles.

It was updating automatically using watchtower.

But finally it crashed. 🙂

Now I'm looking for the solution

forced to update the image, TypeError has gone but still no updated in the database from November 3

Hello, quick question. As it seems, the String "https://api.rudderlabs.com/sourceConfig/?p=web&v=1.2.8" is getting blocked by uBlock. Is there any way to change the parameter or even remove it entirely? I'm speaking specifically about the "?p=web&v=1.2.8" part.

Can v2 with beacons be published to NPM?

npm install rudder-sdk-js

-- looks like only V1 is here?

Has anyone had success in getting Chargebee data syncing with something else? I found this article https://rudderstack.com/guides/how-to-load-data-from-chargebee-to-postgresql/ but unfortunately there’s no source app in Rudderstack

hello, my rudder-transformer is keep crashing. how can i check and fix? log showing:

{ Error: Blank userId passed in identify event
    at Object.process (/home/node/app/v0/destinations/redis/transform.js:32:11)
    at Promise.all.events.map (/home/node/app/versionedRouter.js:111:44)
    at Array.map (<anonymous>)
    at handleDest (/home/node/app/versionedRouter.js:106:12)
    at <http://router.post|router.post> (/home/node/app/versionedRouter.js:276:15)
    at dispatch (/home/node/app/node_modules/koa-router/node_modules/koa-compose/index.js:44:32)
    at next (/home/node/app/node_modules/koa-router/node_modules/koa-compose/index.js:45:18)
    at /home/node/app/node_modules/koa-router/lib/router.js:346:16
    at dispatch (/home/node/app/node_modules/koa-router/node_modules/koa-compose/index.js:44:32)
    at /home/node/app/node_modules/koa-router/node_modules/koa-compose/index.js:36:12 response: { status: 400, metadata: undefined } } []
{ Error: server side identify is not on
    at new ErrorBuilder (/home/node/app/v0/util/error.js:2:14)
    at processSingleMessage (/home/node/app/v0/destinations/ga/transform.js:844:15)
    at Object.process (/home/node/app/v0/destinations/ga/transform.js:986:10)
    at Promise.all.events.map (/home/node/app/versionedRouter.js:111:44)
    at Array.map (<anonymous>)
    at handleDest (/home/node/app/versionedRouter.js:106:12)
    at <http://router.post|router.post> (/home/node/app/versionedRouter.js:276:15)
    at dispatch (/home/node/app/node_modules/koa-router/node_modules/koa-compose/index.js:44:32)
    at next (/home/node/app/node_modules/koa-router/node_modules/koa-compose/index.js:45:18)
    at /home/node/app/node_modules/koa-router/lib/router.js:346:16
  status: 400,
  message: 'server side identify is not on',
  statTags:
   { destination: 'googleAnalytics',
     stage: 'transform',
     scope: 'transformation',
     meta: 'configuration' } }

deployment: helm chart

Hello Everyone, I'm trying to sync Salesforce with Redshift. During the configuration phase everything seems fine but during the sync phase nothing append. It runs during 15 hours (i stopped it myself) without any errors. No tables has been created. Is there a way i can check some logs ?

Hello Rudderstack team, We would like to get the dashboard of Grafana to integrate it with our open-source version. Where can we get them? cc: @narrow-rain-89253 @early-stone-68655

My dataplane is suddenly not starting. Below is the error, please help.

20211127T013815.953748: 2021-11-27T070815.953+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:2294 [[ gw : addNewDSLoop ]]: Start 20211127T013815.962642: 2021-11-27T070815.962+0530 DEBUG operation-manager/operation-manager.go:180 No rows found. Sql: SELECT id, operation, payload, done 20211127T013815.962669: FROM operations 20211127T013815.962672: WHERE 20211127T013815.962674: done=False 20211127T013815.962684: ORDER BY id asc limit 1, 20211127T013815.969038: 2021-11-27T070815.968+0530 DEBUG gateway/gateway.go:995 IP: 106.217.139.87 -- /v1/identify -- Response: 200, OK 20211127T013815.969065: 2021-11-27T070815.969+0530 DEBUG gateway/gateway.go:995 IP: 43.247.159.3 -- /v1/track -- Response: 200, OK 20211127T013815.969071: 2021-11-27T070815.969+0530 DEBUG gateway/gateway.go:995 IP: 43.247.159.3 -- /v1/track -- Response: 200, OK 20211127T013815.969073: 2021-11-27T070815.968+0530 DEBUG gateway/gateway.go:995 IP: 43.247.159.3 -- /v1/track -- Response: 200, OK 20211127T013815.969109: 2021-11-27T070815.969+0530 DEBUG gateway/gateway.go:995 IP: 43.247.159.3 -- /v1/track -- Response: 200, OK 20211127T013816.008717: 2021-11-27T070816.008+0530 INFO jobsdb/jobsdb.go:1044 [JobsDB] gw_jobs_4734 is full in size. Count: 944106, Size: 2454945792 20211127T013816.008750: 2021-11-27T070816.008+0530 INFO jobsdb/jobsdb.go:2304 [[ gw : addNewDSLoop ]]: NewDS 20211127T013816.008753: 2021-11-27T070816.008+0530 INFO jobsdb/jobsdb.go:1106 Creating new DS of type appendToDsList before ds for gw jobsdb 20211127T013816.034416: 2021-11-27T070816.034+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:935 SELECT MIN(job_id), MAX(job_id) FROM gw_jobs_798{0 false} {0 false} 20211127T013816.034717: 2021-11-27T070816.034+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:935 SELECT MIN(job_id), MAX(job_id) FROM gw_jobs_4727{474761606 true} {474863667 true} 20211127T013816.035141: 2021-11-27T070816.035+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:935 SELECT MIN(job_id), MAX(job_id) FROM gw_jobs_4728{474863668 true} {474964887 true} 20211127T013816.035412: 2021-11-27T070816.035+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:935 SELECT MIN(job_id), MAX(job_id) FROM gw_jobs_4729{474964888 true} {475067539 true} 20211127T013816.035762: 2021-11-27T070816.035+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:935 SELECT MIN(job_id), MAX(job_id) FROM gw_jobs_4730{475067540 true} {475184781 true} 20211127T013816.036019: 2021-11-27T070816.035+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:935 SELECT MIN(job_id), MAX(job_id) FROM gw_jobs_4731{475184782 true} {475285311 true} 20211127T013816.036384: 2021-11-27T070816.036+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:935 SELECT MIN(job_id), MAX(job_id) FROM gw_jobs_4732{475285312 true} {475385379 true} 20211127T013816.036630: 2021-11-27T070816.036+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:935 SELECT MIN(job_id), MAX(job_id) FROM gw_jobs_4733{475385380 true} {475434164 true} 20211127T013816.037128: 2021-11-27T070816.037+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:935 SELECT MIN(job_id), MAX(job_id) FROM gw_jobs_4734{475385520 true} {476329630 true} 20211127T013816.037160: 2021-11-27T070816.037+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:3240 List:[{gw_jobs_798 gw_job_status_798 798} {gw_jobs_4727 gw_job_status_4727 4727} {gw_jobs_4728 gw_job_status_4728 4728} {gw_jobs_4729 gw_job_status_4729 4729} {gw_jobs_4730 gw_job_status_4730 4730} {gw_jobs_4731 gw_job_status_4731 4731} {gw_jobs_4732 gw_job_status_4732 4732} {gw_jobs_4733 gw_job_status_4733 4733} {gw_jobs_4734 gw_job_status_4734 4734} {gw_jobs_4735 gw_job_status_4735 4735}] 20211127T013816.037173: 2021-11-27T070816.037+0530 DEBUG jobsdb/jobsdb.go:3241 Ranges:[{474761606 474863667 0 0 {gw_jobs_4727 gw_job_status_4727 4727}} {474863668 474964887 0 0 {gw_jobs_4728 gw_job_status_4728 4728}} {474964888 475067539 0 0 {gw_jobs_4729 gw_job_status_4729 4729}} {475067540 475184781 0 0 {gw_jobs_4730 gw_job_status_4730 4730}} {475184782 475285311 0 0 {gw_jobs_4731 gw_job_status_4731 4731}} {475285312 475385379 0 0 {gw_jobs_4732 gw_job_status_4732 4732}} {475385380 475434164 0 0 {gw_jobs_4733 gw_job_status_4733 4733}}] 20211127T013816.037177: List: [{gw_jobs_798 gw_job_status_798 798} {gw_jobs_4727 gw_job_status_4727 4727} {gw_jobs_4728 gw_job_status_4728 4728} {gw_jobs_4729 gw_job_status_4729 4729} {gw_jobs_4730 gw_job_status_4730 4730} {gw_jobs_4731 gw_job_status_4731 4731} {gw_jobs_4732 gw_job_status_4732 4732} {gw_jobs_4733 gw_job_status_4733 4733} {gw_jobs_4734 gw_job_status_4734 4734} {gw_jobs_4735 gw_job_status_4735 4735}] 20211127T013816.037189: Ranges: [{474761606 474863667 0 0 {gw_jobs_4727 gw_job_status_4727 4727}} {474863668 474964887 0 0 {gw_jobs_4728 gw_job_status_4728 4728}} {474964888 475067539 0 0 {gw_jobs_4729 gw_job_status_4729 4729}} {475067540 475184781 0 0 {gw_jobs_4730 gw_job_status_4730 4730}} {475184782 475285311 0 0 {gw_jobs_4731 gw_job_status_4731 4731}} {475285312 475385379 0 0 {gw_jobs_4732 gw_job_status_4732 4732}} {475385380 475434164 0 0 {gw_jobs_4733 gw_job_status_4733 4733}}] 20211127T013816.037191: 2021-11-27T070816.037+0530 ERROR jobsdb/jobsdb.go:412 map[] 20211127T013816.037249: 2021-11-27T070816.037+0530 ERROR jobsdb/jobsdb.go:412 goroutine 109 [running]: 20211127T013816.037251: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/utils/logger.(*LoggerT).Fatal(0xc00012a990, 0xc000ff5e90, 0x1, 0x1) 20211127T013816.037252: /opt/rudder-server/utils/logger/logger.go:265 +0x108 20211127T013816.037254: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).assert(0xc000452000, 0x0, 0xc00066f2c0, 0x53) 20211127T013816.037255: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:412 +0xb2 20211127T013816.037257: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).getDSRangeList(0xc000452000, 0xc0002bea01, 0xc000982900, 0xa, 0x10) 20211127T013816.037258: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:953 +0x7e7 20211127T013816.037260: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).setSequenceNumber(0xc000452000, 0xc00070ffb0, 0x4, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0) 20211127T013816.037261: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:1378 +0x92 20211127T013816.037263: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).createDS(0xc000452000, 0xc00070ff01, 0xc00070ffb0, 0x4, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0) 20211127T013816.037264: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:1361 +0x43a 20211127T013816.037270: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).addNewDS(0xc000452000, 0x1c8590c, 0xe, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, ...) 20211127T013816.037272: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:1139 +0x3ec 20211127T013816.037273: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).addNewDSLoop(0xc000452000, 0x20748e8, 0xc000be4780) 20211127T013816.037275: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:2305 +0x371 20211127T013816.037276: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).writerSetup.func1(0x2074920, 0xc0000420b0) 20211127T013816.037278: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:746 +0x3c 20211127T013816.037279: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/utils/misc.WithBugsnag.func1(0x0, 0x0) 20211127T013816.037281: /opt/rudder-server/utils/misc/misc.go:1123 +0x94 20211127T013816.037282: golang.org/x/sync/errgroup.(*Group).Go.func1(0xc000a84390, 0xc000e5e130) 20211127T013816.037284: /opt/rudder-server/vendor/golang.org/x/sync/errgroup/errgroup.go:57 +0x59 20211127T013816.037285: created by golang.org/x/sync/errgroup.(*Group).Go 20211127T013816.037287: /opt/rudder-server/vendor/golang.org/x/sync/errgroup/errgroup.go:54 +0x66 20211127T013816.347388: 2021/11/27 070816 notifying bugsnag: [[ gw ]]: idx: 8 != 0 and prevMax: 475434164 >= minID.Int64: 475385520 of table: gw_jobs_4734 20211127T013816.347414: 2021/11/27 070816 bugsnag.Notify: bugsnag/payload.deliver: invalid api key: '' 20211127T013816.347417: 2021/11/27 070816 bugsnag/sessions/publisher.publish invalid API key: '' 20211127T013816.349698: panic: [[ gw ]]: idx: 8 != 0 and prevMax: 475434164 >= minID.Int64: 475385520 of table: gw_jobs_4734 [recovered] 20211127T013816.349718: panic: [[ gw ]]: idx: 8 != 0 and prevMax: 475434164 >= minID.Int64: 475385520 of table: gw_jobs_4734 [recovered] 20211127T013816.349720: panic: [[ gw ]]: idx: 8 != 0 and prevMax: 475434164 >= minID.Int64: 475385520 of table: gw_jobs_4734 20211127T013816.349722: goroutine 109 [running]: 20211127T013816.349725: github.com/bugsnag/bugsnag-go.AutoNotify(0xc000b9d658, 0x3, 0x4) 20211127T013816.349727: /opt/rudder-server/vendor/github.com/bugsnag/bugsnag-go/bugsnag.go:109 +0x2b5 20211127T013816.349728: panic(0x19701c0, 0xc000ff5f30) 20211127T013816.349730: /usr/local/go/src/runtime/panic.go:965 +0x1b9 20211127T013816.349732: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/utils/misc.WithBugsnag.func1.1(0x2074990, 0xc0000ad140) 20211127T013816.349734: /opt/rudder-server/utils/misc/misc.go:1120 +0x2c5 20211127T013816.349737: panic(0x19701c0, 0xc000ff5f30) 20211127T013816.349742: /usr/local/go/src/runtime/panic.go:965 +0x1b9 20211127T013816.349755: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).assert(0xc000452000, 0x0, 0xc00066f2c0, 0x53) 20211127T013816.349761: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:413 +0x187 20211127T013816.349774: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).getDSRangeList(0xc000452000, 0xc0002bea01, 0xc000982900, 0xa, 0x10) 20211127T013816.349781: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:953 +0x7e7 20211127T013816.349804: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).setSequenceNumber(0xc000452000, 0xc00070ffb0, 0x4, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0) 20211127T013816.349809: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:1378 +0x92 20211127T013816.349833: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).createDS(0xc000452000, 0xc00070ff01, 0xc00070ffb0, 0x4, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0) 20211127T013816.349841: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:1361 +0x43a 20211127T013816.349869: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).addNewDS(0xc000452000, 0x1c8590c, 0xe, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, 0x0, ...) 20211127T013816.349878: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:1139 +0x3ec 20211127T013816.349887: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).addNewDSLoop(0xc000452000, 0x20748e8, 0xc000be4780) 20211127T013816.349893: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:2305 +0x371 20211127T013816.349900: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/jobsdb.(*HandleT).writerSetup.func1(0x2074920, 0xc0000420b0) 20211127T013816.349904: /opt/rudder-server/jobsdb/jobsdb.go:746 +0x3c 20211127T013816.349916: github.com/rudderlabs/rudder-server/utils/misc.WithBugsnag.func1(0x0, 0x0) 20211127T013816.349918: /opt/rudder-server/utils/misc/misc.go:1123 +0x94 20211127T013816.349921: golang.org/x/sync/errgroup.(*Group).Go.func1(0xc000a84390, 0xc000e5e130) 20211127T013816.349924: /opt/rudder-server/vendor/golang.org/x/sync/errgroup/errgroup.go:57 +0x59 20211127T013816.349929: created by golang.org/x/sync/errgroup.(*Group).Go 20211127T013816.349934: /opt/rudder-server/vendor/golang.org/x/sync/errgroup/errgroup.go:54 +0x66 20211127T013816.365218: exit status 2 20211127T013816.375508: service dataplane exited with exitcode 1 20211127T013816.377395: starting dataplane...

Hello, does anyone have any experience calculating

new users

and

total users

with rudderstack page call data? (i’m building a google data studio dashboard and trying to replace GA with the new rudderstack data and am running into calculation challenges.) Thanks in advance!

@busy-monkey-10873 any idea if this ruby browser is from you guys? (suspecting this traffic is coming from the

rudderstack → GA4

integration but unsure. it’s almost exactly 50% of our traffic being reported in GA4. any insight is super helpful. thank you.

Hello, I'm trying to sync Salesforce with Redshift. I succeeded to retrieve User from Salesforce. But when i try to sync with Redshift, i have the following error : "Failed to trigger uploads for destId= 21PpYgnfgFcwvqojqY2ad4jwKZ9: ECONNABORTED - timeout of 60000ms exceeded". I don't understand what is going wrong, my redshift config seems fine.

@narrow-rain-89253 later if you can take a look at this pr, it will help us a lot here at the company :D

Hi all. I’ve setup GA4 but it says in the image below. But I’m not sure how to debug this to see if it’s working since I can’t see the live events. What’s the best way to do it?

Hi team, we are trying to integrate a deployment of

rudderstack-helm

with our setup We are using external sources to provide secrets to helm charts. Here is a PR, that allows is, can you review please. https://github.com/rudderlabs/rudderstack-helm/pull/42

hi, is there a way to know if rudder is using local or cloud? - our data plane containers shut down a week ago, still it was syncing

hi all, I am trialing hosted Rudderstack on the free tier. I have set up the JS SDK and have a Javascript source. I have also set up a BigQuery destination + GCS bucket + service account with permissions as per the docs. The source is working, I can see the live events coming through from my website. However the BigQuery destination live events is not showing anything, there’s no data in the GCS bucket or in BigQuery, and pressing ‘Sync now’ in Rudderstack just shows a timeout error after some time. Any ideas?