i'm pretty sure lavamind would be extremely happy to get some help from upstream in maintaining those packages, and if perforce is working on improving those packages, we should definitely talk

i'm happy to look at source code or build log failures too

ewoud: nope. Our package has been called puppet-agent for ..... a decade now?

Since Puppet 4 when we introduced AIO packages

well, I'm just guessing things :)

I disagree with the "i do not believe package names should be what tells the packages apart" Isn't that the basis for NEVRA? A package can be uniquely identified based on name, epoch, version, release and architecture?

anarcat: to be clear -- WE can fix our own pipelines, that's not a problem. The problem will come from the gobs of customers & users who install the wrong package accidentally now. Especially those who've been doing it for a decade and their workflow now breaks.

I mostly think it's confusing that puppet-agent from upstream and downstream mean very different things: one uses system packages and the other has a full blown Ruby env vendored

what's NEVRA?

in RPMs you have Name Epoch Version Release Architecture (NEVRA)

ah

and that's globally unique?

About "if perforce is working on improving those packages, we should definitely talk" Yes, agree. We've had a large backlog of agent platforms to add. We're just about done with Ubuntu Noble.

should be

ewoud: what's the clearinghouse?

is there a central repository where clashes are resolved?

for example, build systems like Koji use it effectively as a primary key

because i don't know about RPMs, but anyone can write their own .deb file in their basement without asking debian.org

conflicting package names are not unusual once you cross archive boundaries, this happens all the time

in RPMs you could do the same, it's more or less a convention

but who do you ask before you adopt a package name?

and in Fedora official repos it is enforced

this is mostly a rhetorical question

my point is that it's always a policy that's scoped by distro

of course this is unique in fedora official

and it's unique in debian

and it's unique in ubuntu

so anyway

i'm not sure what is the ask here

debian folks would be glad to cooperate on this