test to see whether github and discord never play nice together: https://github.com/dendronhq/dendron

well, that previewed

We haven't seen Dendron core team's activities for the entire Jan 2023. I hate to say, but looks like it's time to switch to another solution. For myself, I have looked into Trilium Note, it can be hosted in a remote server and synced with desktop clients.

Hierarchies…

"Trilium Notes is a hierarchical note taking application with focus on building large personal knowledge bases" Not exactly same as dendron, but I think it is indeed also "hierarchical"

I think its unfair to make hasty conclusions. For all you know there is a breaking release coming through. Lets be patient.

Where did this information come from?

I am not saying its the case, I meant it could be something positive such as this

Kevin may be utilising this time to focus on getting the PMF & monetisation plans right. https://www.kevinslin.com/notes/htchyy536bb169mzu47ksb6/ Dendron raised $2M in seed funding. https://www.geekwire.com/2021/take-note-amazon-vets-raise-2m-dendron-tool-manage-large-amounts-information/ It is not just a FOSS project that depends on supporters contributions, as some members think. This project has involved a significant amount of human effort and money. So let’s stay positive and expect the core team to bounce back with new announcements soon! At the same time, the PKM space is growing at a rapid pace, and users have a plethora of options to play with. So it is essential for the core teams to be transparent and keep communicating frequently with the early adopters user base, at least in the Discord community.

One thing upsets, the team just fell silent. It would be possible to briefly inform in advance about the break. Purely out of universal respect. «Guys, we need a break. The project is not abandoned.»

Totally agree with you.

It seems MacOS is unsupported. Did you try using trillium notes? Whats your review? Dendron seems to be the best notes app for hierarchies workflow.

I am using MacOS but I haven't tried the desktop (x86) app yet. I deployed it to a remote server and use it in browser. Trilium seems (over)powerful and can do really fancy things.

Cool. Thank for the info!

I guess an alternative to fleeing to other tools would be to see if we can rally enough techie community members to fork the project and continue development (maybe at a slower rate). It turns out Kevin's just taking a break and he comes back - the forked project could be PRed back into the official one

It seems like Capacities.io also would a good PKM tool for hierarchies. They'll have templates/schemas and such. Of course, the big issues is that it is cloud-based.

cloud-based is a strong NO for me, I personally put some sensitive information in my notes, so I don't trust any provider. When I use dendron, I put the notes in a private github repo and use git-crypt to encrypt the content.

I was really excited about putting together a greenhouse talk but the universe has apparently been that much more excited about keeping me in the dirt

Happy to accept the change of reality but do find Dendron too useful to abandon immediately and see any transition as painful. If @Dendron team (or @kevins8) intend to maintain the current state of Dendron in a functional condition and are interested in using their own creation, I am wondering if it might be possible to come up with an alternative development mode. A fund based on donations or grants? Interns to build features? Features as an outcome of educational/research projects? A stronger focus on community contributions? One could try to setup those things but the core team might need to review and integrate the resulting code. An alternative option is to find another willing maintainer. I am not a professional programmer nor do I have experience with public open source projects. Is this beyond possible?

totally echo your sentiment. I love Dendron a lot and I'd definitely love to see it live on in a new way. It could be possible to organise a community-led approach to development if a few techies are able to volunteer. A grassroots/community movement could even use a platform like opencollective (https://opencollective.com/) to collect donations which could either be paid back to the dendron team to their continued support/code reviews or to members of the community as a bounty for developing specific features. We could even do community led greenhouse talks for people like @bitNomad to speak at! I am a software dev with experience of contributing to open source projects and typescript and VSCode plugin dev (I actually built a small plugin for syncing hypothes.is annotations with VSCode/Dendron). I'd be interested in taking part in such an initiative.

also, instead of money that I do not have to spend, seems like the best way would be to stick ||not a fork in it because don-dron rather|| a fork in codebase policy and test/review board for pulling them back

indeed - could have a community fork that could open PRs that optionally get pushed back upstream - I was just thinking if people did still want to donate (totally optionally) it would be nice for there to be a transparent and open way for those donations to be governed and redistributed 🙂 Sidenote: I was just musing on the fact that "grassroots community" is kind of on-theme for a dendron community 😂 🪴

yea anything to change the name from open sores development

though it seems rather pie in the sky for me rn as the only extension I attempted to modify (as otherwise I wa typically JetBrains community or workplace sponsored ide) both left me feeling past my prime while waiting for the crawling test environment which crawled slower than a locally implemented JIRA disaster

Hi guys I'm not very active in here I'm just ask a question now and then when I run into a problem and this community has been very helpful, thank you. I just want to share my thoughts about the end of the Dendron extension development with you. First of all I love the tool, is my default for almost everything that I do. I came to Dendron after a long search of the ultimate tool for PKM that it was "ended" with Obsidian. It was a time consuming huge problem all the migration from tool to tool until I stay with Dendron because it made all so simple for me. Every app uses .md files now but with his own flavors that make the migration process a nightmare some times and now I'm moving to Obsidian because I personally don't like not actively developed tools. That been said, I learned a lot when using Dendron and the most important thing for me was to keep your note system simple and as much app agnostic as posible (emphasis on posible). In my experience you must try to build your system into your notes, not the app. The dot hierarchy system solves this problem nicely because is in your filenames, a thing that I believe isn't going to change in a long time. This is a simple and amazing thing that will keep your notes organized everywhere. Is true that you lose features like schemas that are very helpful but you may gain other feature form the tool you choose next. The other thing is the markdown flavor, keep it as simple as posible too in order to smooth the transition, you can always open your vault in VSCode and use Regex to bulk fix some things. Although Dendron is almost the perfect tool for me the most value I got from it was how to build my system in an app agnostic way and for that I'm grateful. Thanks to @kevins8, the core team and this community. Sorry for my english, is not my native language.

Hey guys, great job on your work with Dendron! I was first introduced to it over two years ago, but never ventured past basic note taking. Recently, I caught up with your YouTube videos and was happy to see the progress made within the community. Especially the talk by @ScriptAutomate, really got my ideas flowing. It appears that we'll be witnessing more and more vaults (of quite the size) in the near future. Currently, I'm experimenting with LLM's, with a focus on prompt engineering. My goal is to satisfy my immediate need to summarize categories of subscribed-to content by transcribing, summarizing, and organizing it into Dendron. This part is somewhat trivial. The real challenge lies in how to then locate and utilize the readily available content efficiently, and in a way that adapts a reverse model of content consumption (learning on the way in). Do you know if Dendron plans to invest in some form of search capabilities? I believe that would be the icing on the cake in the future. Imagine quickly creating a Dendron vault from a data source containing thousands of books on a particular topic. The classifier would do an excellent job organizing the content in a Dendron-friendly way. However, once the content is organized, the challenge shifts to navigating/absorbing/learning from it. One would highly benefit from some intelligent search techniques (content-aware) to help me navigate the newly acquired knowledge repository. So in other words, we've figured out how to have the AI digest and summarize data. I am not too familiar within the search space, aside from some work on entity resolution.

@PILOT sorry the project is dead.

seems like reinventing the wheel as the underlying lookup/hierarchy was built w/ the VSC search/indexing in place

Alive but not growing is more accurate, at least according to @kevins8 (aka the founder). This, by the way, is a state of a typical adult mammal, say, the one like yourself. Not growing, in fact living with accelerating cell death, but still working and even learning here and there. Definitely not dead. 😀 At least this is what I wish to believe.

I have long been dead on the inside; a heart of stone means I am not heartless