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  • s
    There's no course of discussion involved here.
  • s
    The exact words were written down in the email.
  • s
    Thanks @careful-petabyte-17641 Looks like I've thought it out right to start off.
  • c
    I hope we're both totally wrong, they come back with their act together and eveyone (mostly you) is happy
  • s
    we were both right. They asked me to stop work and they dont seem to have a valid justification.
  • s
    Well, that's one client moved away and time saved.
  • c
    Good! You've just saved yourself ~20 hours of wasted work. Go enjoy a chai 🙂
  • s
    Coffee 😉
  • s
    In other notes, I start remote from Monday 🙂
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  • m
    That’s way too much of changes and obviously not okay. @straight-continent-34777 good that you averted that
  • m
    Funnily lack of transparency seems to be common at many early stage startups 😞 including my last one. Makes it very difficult to work with
  • s
    Thanks for validating my thoughts. So, also to update @careful-petabyte-17641 - the architect spoke to me and was acting as though it was normal. That upset me hard.
  • s
    I’ve now written an email that I will stand on my decision to pause any further work. I’ve also noted in the email that they can give me an address to courier the cheque to so we can part ways and move on.
  • w
    @straight-continent-34777 Have you worked on it for 2 weeks or more?
  • s
    On and off, its been 2 weeks of effort.
  • s
    Had to setup a dev and staging environment on god forsaken ruby 2.2.1 (which went EOL about 3-4 years ago IIRC)
  • s
    AND get all the gems to compile
  • w
    I do not think you need to return the payment for the work performed. It is their fault to change requirements multiple times. So, if the contract is for say 1 month and you worked on it for 2 weeks. Then 2 weeks of work should be paid. If not fully can be partially after discussing with the client about the outcomes.
  • s
    Thats the problem I’m having @worried-librarian-12856. While I’d like to have a discussion, and am even open to closing the contract to its intended endpoint, the engineering team being very nonchalant and self-righteous is just very very unprofessional.
  • s
    And the Co-founder who reached out to me for the gig, he’s not reachable since he’s out of the country.
  • s
    The architect doesnt seem to have a say in front of a lead who definitely does not know what he’s doing.
  • s
    The problems started AFTER the lead came in last week…
  • w
    You are right to stop work and email the founder. Hope the founder understands the situation and communicate after coming back.
  • m
    This is very usual scene with contracts. Are you doing fixed cost ? Then you are right being upset otherwise I don't see a valid reason. In that case just charge for your time. Yeah they could have been better at communicating it. I wouldn't go this far off to cut off though. What's exactly bothering you? You weren't informed and feel ignored?
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  • s
    @millions-ice-83302 Yes, this is fixed cost, fixed time. There’s a contract with fixed deliverables and fixed payment dates
  • s
    I’ve missed the first deliverable deadlines because of 2 changes that were unannounced and am on track to missing more
  • m
    In that case you can just charge for your time and cut off. That's still a rational and ethical decision from you. You don't have to return the cheque completely. This is also the reason why I never do fixed pricing. The industry and the type of work we do isn't exactly suitable for fixed cost pricing structure.
  • s
    @millions-ice-83302 I understand your standpoint. I took this up purely because it came from a very very recommended source. And I never expected it to go south so quick.
  • s
    Its sad how engineers work these days. It has become the norm to be disorganized and all over the place.
  • s
    I mentor a bunch of folks and I end up almost always asking this question -
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    Are you breaking things because you're moving fast or are you assuming you're moving fast because things around you are broken
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