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Hyper-V getting retired? WUT? We switched from ESX to HV and everything has been fine
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I'm sure @Benjamin Crill will enthusiastically support Citrix Hypervisor here...
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Perhaps FREE Hyper-V is going away, which is insane.
which, i bet they backtrack on. Get those few people to panic and buy it... then release it free again
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I thought HyperV as a role on Windows was going away and was going to be HyperV server (essentially PS based only interface at console) like ESXi. You could still do free ESXi
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Or nutanix CE
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Hyper-V is probably the easiest to stand up for something small.
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Oh, i was a touch confused. Hyper v server wont be offered past 2019. However, hyper v role on a windows server will live on.
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Ahhh ok so I had it backwards, I knew it was something around that. Basically it was dumb having two avenues to the same destination
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Not surprised that they're keeping the role. Gotta get that OS license.
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@Ray Davis Nutanix CE not recommended for production use. Nutanix AHV could be used though depending what hardware you have.
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He did say prod. I missed that, I was zoned in on cheap
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Proxmox?
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ducks
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he said free, that made me other look prod haha
Free and Prod to me doesn't go together in my brain for a hypervisor. I overlooked it. But I yea I agree with you.
Folks on Reddit say Proxmox is dang good. Never used it to be honest
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I trust reddit as far as I can throw you, and im weak.
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You just need a few VMs though. Is there not a free ESX anymore?
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I'd still take CE over XenServer.....just sayin'
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I made the mistake of saying that is not enterprise worthily and they did not like that. Last time I voiced my opinion haha
Is the Free verison of ESX and Hypervisor Prod ready?
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The free version of ESX was traditionally Prod ready. Though, my last information on this is probably 6.5
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just run everything in virtualbox
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Not sure why the hate on XenServer. Been running it in prod for over 10 years at this point as our HV of choice for the Citrix farm. Multiple pools, multiple locations. No real issues.
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I joke about XenServer....mostly. It was a great solution for a good time, but Citrix abandoned it/stopped investing in it and other solutions went so much further. Now it is so far behind feature/management-wise. To me if you are running nothing but non-persistent Citrix workloads, fine. Trouble with a host? Just rebuild it, don't troubleshoot it. Past that...Nutanix first
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XCP-NG? It is based on XenServer. And free 😀 https://xcp-ng.org
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What???? Reddit is full of brilliant social media YouTube minds and long live XS! The handful of actual customers still using it will thank you
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Proxmox all the way, we use it in our datacenter. It’s basically KVM with a vCenter like interface. Less bells and whistles obviously, but has a ton of features nonetheless!
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Is ProxMox Citrix Ready? I would like to play with it in my lab to see it personally.
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No official label as far as I am aware of
And no connector for mcs
But kvm doesn’t have that either, except for AHV
Apart from that, I can’t see why it would t work or underperform
Windows guests are fully supported with guest-tools. They have (experimental) SDN support which works a bit like dvSwitch from a management perspective across your cluster. You can make it hyperconverged by installing Ceph straight from the GUI, etc.
And all at a very low cost
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I use proxmox at home in a cluster. It wouldn't fly in the office though.
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Why not @Paul Brown ?
I mean, if you pay for it, you can get excellent business support from them. There are so many companies relying on RedHat OpenShift for examples this is similar.
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Most obvious reasons: 1: Already have access to a supported product with free licenses. 2: Proxmox not a fully supported HV for Citrix. 3: No MCS support. 4: Company already has a large esxi farm, and we would likely pay the 1M to move to that than go with Proxmox, if we had to move from XenServer.
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Ok, but I’m that case you are not really the use case the original question was about. And free license often means no support. :-)
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You asked my why though... Wasn't really a comment on proxmox as a hypervisor. I quite like it though i've only been using for a year or so. Xenserver is perfectly capable enterprise solution for us though and has been for years. There are things i really wish it had, and quirks it has that i've been asking to be fixed for years, but overall, no need to move to another solution.
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if OP is doing a couple windows VMs, then i don't see why they can't just use HV rather than learning a new solution.
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I still like XenServer, it's not perfect but it has been doing a good job for us (5k+ users) for the past 10 years ... and yes true story 🙂