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    mostly in payment clearance
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    I also recently came across https://coda.io/welcome in this space.
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  • s
    Ya we use Coda at Uber 🙂
  • d
    Just found the gitlab payment page. I think that the whole payment model and the reasoning and explanation behind it is all bullshit. Pay shouldn't be specific to location, any justification saying that two people putting in same efforts, working same hours on same technology and product shouldn't earn same is discrimination. It's no different than race, gender or caste based discrimination in corporate.
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    I detest Gitlab's discriminatory compensation policy.
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    But they aren't alone -- practically everyone does it. By having an India specific subsidiary. Google India doesn't pay silicon valley salaries, or even rest of US salaries
  • g
    The justification most orgs give for location arbitration is the cost of living and that they'd want people to take home nearly equal salaries regardless of their cost of living. I find it sensible to some extent, but then isn't the whole point of moving to a less expensive location to save more?
  • v
    A better way to deal with is to have standardised slabs for everyone, and then pay some additional location incentive for those living in truly expensive areas. The main thing is to have a good high enough base that will work practically everywhere in the world.
  • g
    I've found Buffer's salary calculation quite sensible, ever since they made things transparent (which was almost right after they entered growth stage). The location incentive is actually a factor that's multiplied with base salary, and it takes SF as factor 1 I guess. Anything that's less expensive than SF takes a value lesser than 1. I think GitLab does this too. https://buffer.com/salary
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    It is a free market overall I believe. Location arbitrage is real and it all depends how the company market it. But at the end of the day, no company will be spending higher than they need to and no person would like to earn less than what alternative offer can provide.
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  • g
    it would be interesting to see the percentage of people they are hiring from ‘high wage’ areas like SF or other places
  • g
    Agree with @adorable-cat-7948. Ever since I started consulting independently, I have come to realize there's always someone out there who would value your work. Then it is up to me whether or not to sell where the market doesn't value my work. Value is also driven by the problem and the solution itself. If I solve a problem that's valuable, I'd end up making money regardless of where I live. 🙂
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    @gorgeous-nail-79588 you can do a 
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    search for Gitlab here https://about.gitlab.com/company/team/#countries
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    @victorious-energy-56764 I imagine it would be challenging to come up with base slabs which would work across the globe. There are some cities which are very expensive and your slab might not justify their effort based.
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    @victorious-energy-56764's idea of having a base salary + rent based extra for anyone that need it is being floated in the Twitter space the last few days. I've seen it mentioned a few times. Earlier we had two schools of thoughts, pay equal or location variant. This middle road pleases both parties and might be new to text, but it's been done in a lot of other industries for a while now
  • e
    I would not think of a base slab. More like here's our salary for a front-end developer, say 65k/year, and based on where you stay, we give you an appropriate additional funds.
  • v
    I imagine it would be challenging to come up with base slabs which would work across the globe.
    @witty-gigabyte-47737 Not at all. You pick a percentile e.g. top 10% of Seattle and pay that to everyone. - People won't join you just because you're paying high, but people will leave you if they think you pay less. - There are very few businesses who can out pay Google, Netflix, FB etc, so most companies shouldn't even try.
  • d
    Wow, this really touches a nerve. I think we should keep all the responses into a thread instead directly replying in the channel. @calm-grass-85557
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  • b
    I think geography should not be a factor in pay at all. If someone saves more by staying in X country that is optimising for cost. The company should not take that away.
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    I’m with DHH on this
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  • v
    Yes, exactly -- geographies can change.
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    Basecamp does this and apparently Automattic too
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  • g
    Whatever said, this advice is gold for remote work and software in general https://about.gitlab.com/handbook/values/
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    By the way, on that same note -- there is one more reason I push for fixed salary bands: taking negotiation out of salary discussions. IMO, salaries should not be negotiable.
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  • e
    Employees will always want more, companies will always want to pay lesser. It's how we are. If there are gaps to improve the chances of any of these two, we try to make it happen.
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    The moment salaries are negotiable, you simply end up rewarding people with better negotiation skills, instead of better professional skills
  • v
    Employees will always want more, companies will always want to pay lesser. It's how we are.
    It's how we are. I grant you that. But we need to be better. We push for standards to evolve. To be more humane. It's clear in my opinion that the status quo isn't good enough.
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    I'm on your side. I've been pushing for equal pay since day one. At least my company now, we are doing that across the globe so it's a step in the right direction.
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