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# les-ras
  • k

    kandelabr

    07/23/2022, 9:09 PM
    OK, thank you for your effort, but I guess my problem is elsewhere. The wake behind a cylinder is also composed of the mean flow + oscillating vortexes... Why are they not averaged?
  • k

    kandelabr

    07/23/2022, 9:10 PM
    I'd expect all the turbulent rigmarole to smear out, just as in any proper RANS garbage
  • q

    qr

    07/23/2022, 9:11 PM
    Is your flow laminar enough to allow that? Is the turbulence modelling properly setup?
  • k

    kandelabr

    07/23/2022, 9:12 PM
    aaaah, yes, I get it now
  • k

    kandelabr

    07/23/2022, 9:13 PM
    even LAMINAR cases are unsteady, but we only model turbulence
  • q

    qr

    07/23/2022, 9:19 PM
    You can see it more explicitly if you study the concept of characteristic equation and eigenvalues and their signs and what they mean about the nature of process modeled by tha equation. You cannot achieve a non existent state ... Well you can but it will be riddled with unphysical solutions, high residuals, oscillations (depending on the exact nature of the problem)
  • k

    kandelabr

    07/23/2022, 9:22 PM
    I know how it looks because I have a problem like that... At least now I have a coarse idea why is that so :) Thank you for enlightening me
  • q

    qr

    07/24/2022, 12:26 PM
    We are not modeling turbulence per se, but rather the non-linear aspects in our target equation (in a more general sense).
  • u

    ⵣAryazⵣ

    08/13/2022, 8:26 PM
    is there an equivalent of
    kLowReWallFunction
    in Foam-Extend?
  • u

    ⵣAryazⵣ

    08/13/2022, 8:26 PM
    grep doesn't find anything in foam-extend
  • u

    ⵣAryazⵣ

    08/13/2022, 8:27 PM
    the
    kLowReWallFunction
    in OpenFOAM ESI, can be used for both low and High-Re flows
  • s

    slopezcastano

    08/16/2022, 7:52 AM
    Names of things are not the same between versions. I suggest you check the $FOAM_SRC directory directly
  • k

    kandelabr

    08/18/2022, 6:17 PM
    how do I decide whether to use
    nutkWallFunction
    or
    nutUWallFunction
    ?
  • l

    Lookid

    08/18/2022, 6:41 PM
    you don't, you just use nutk (provided you compute k) nutkWallFuction uses a definition of y+ based on turbulence kinetic energy, it doesn't care about flow separation (U=0) nutUWallFunction uses a defintion of y+ based on U, not great where flow separation is
  • k

    kandelabr

    08/18/2022, 6:42 PM
    Thanks
  • k

    kandelabr

    08/18/2022, 6:42 PM
    Does this deserve a pin?
  • k

    kandelabr

    08/18/2022, 6:48 PM
    Obviously
  • u

    ⵣAryazⵣ

    08/18/2022, 8:56 PM
    Could you please provide some sources for those statements?
  • l

    Lookid

    08/19/2022, 5:54 AM
    once again these wolfdynamics slides
  • l

    Lookid

    08/19/2022, 5:57 AM
    Spalding might be "better" than both, never tried
  • u

    ⵣAryazⵣ

    08/19/2022, 9:49 AM
    Thank you again
  • u

    ⵣAryazⵣ

    08/19/2022, 9:51 AM
    That's interesting but it is not yet clear how does that justify the k-based wall function performing better than U based wall function under separation
  • u

    ⵣAryazⵣ

    08/19/2022, 9:51 AM
    Spalding is a single formula that models the law of the wall (viscous sublayer + Log layer)
  • s

    slopezcastano

    08/19/2022, 10:07 AM
    Judging by the formulae, none of the two are very good at "predicting separation". notice that nutU(...) needs to be bounded because it produces finite 'turbulence' Prandtl coefficients, even when the flow is viscous. The nutk(...) assumes it's in the log region, even if you are not.
  • p

    paulin ferro

    08/30/2022, 2:54 PM
    I obtain quite good result with nutUSpalding..
  • t

    thermobaric_moose

    09/05/2022, 2:51 PM
    anyone able to successfully run motorbike LES?
  • z

    Zino

    09/06/2022, 12:44 AM
    I don't want to sound like someone on stack exchange, but you really need to be more specific
  • z

    Zino

    09/06/2022, 12:45 AM
    Given that the motorbike LES is a tutorial case, I'd be amazed if it didn't work by simply copying the case and doing ./allrun
  • z

    Zino

    09/06/2022, 12:45 AM
    If you're not able to run it, then you'll need to give an error message or something so someone can help you
  • z

    Zino

    09/06/2022, 12:46 AM
    If the tutorial case is broken, then that would be good to know and make a bug report about
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