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  • o
    why not
  • b
    why didnt I read the docs?
  • b
    🙂
  • b
    hmm, no mention of it in the docs, only on reference... why didn't I read the reference???
  • b
    facepalm towards myself for not reading the damn docs/reference
  • m
    table elements will be the death of me
  • o
    Unless it is wrapped in and appropriate table elements this stuff just doesn't get parsed
  • i
    hey htmx nerds and grug brains: a backend question. I've been working with Rails since the beginning (ie. It's Been 84 Years 👵) and wanting to try something new for a side project and wondering what people are having the most fun with? Is there even anything that is significantly better for dev happiness than Rails? I like some things about #1033922649459535912 but am feeling like a full stack framework would make me less grumpy.
  • t
    I am partial to laravel, and it should be an easy transition from rails (apart from switching languages entirely). I think most people here are on the django train though
  • i
    that's good to know, that django is popular here. learning python in 2023 is probably not a bad idea.
  • i
    and i like that django-render-block exists for fragments
  • i
    i probably wouldn't have more fun than I do with rails but learning a new thing is fun
  • b
    I’ve really been enjoying Sanic (https://sanic.dev/en/). Not as many batteries included compared to Django but that can be seen as a plus. It also ships with a nice server out of the box. It tries to have a really nice developer experience and I think it achieves it. Quick to get started with and easy to build on top of.
  • i
    Cool! Do you use it with SQLAlchemy or something else?
  • b
    So I actually use aiosql (https://nackjicholson.github.io/aiosql/) as I’m a fan of just using sql. But sqlalchemy works well with it. Or have a look at Mayim (https://ahopkins.github.io/mayim/). It’s written by one of the Sanic devs and is a nice way to get Python objects from sql queries. I plan to use it for my next project.
  • b
    I went from Postgres with an ORM to SQLite and raw queries and I’ve never looked back. Especially good for side projects imho.
  • m
    I have a very small one field form. When it's submitted and there's an error, the whole form is sent back with some error message. The problem is that I'd also like to show an alert message in case of a successful request, and another in case of a failure. It seems like html sent with a status code of 400 is not swapped in by htmx. I'm guessing this is an antipattern and I'd like to know what's the correct approach in this case. Should I handle potential error messages with hyperscript instead of using the swap mechanism?
  • r
    You're gonna be hard pressed to find something with a happier dev experience than RoR, out of the box. As lllama mentioned, starlette+uvicorn and sanic are nice if you have time to invest, and are very fast non-blocking io. Pure Django is probably most equivalent to RoR.
  • r
    If you're set on JS, Astro would be a first choice for me as well for DX.
  • m
    I would respond w/ a 
    200
    and perhaps use the 
    HX-Trigger
    response header to trigger an event and show the error message. Or you could us an out of band swap.
  • i
    yeah that's what i was thinking too. it just seems 🍌🍌 that RoR is still at the top of the pile when it comes to getting stuff done, frustration-free after all these years
  • m
    ah interesting, I'll look into HX-Trigger, thanks!
  • m
    Is it possible to react to that header from hyperscript? I'm not sure if I'm doing something wrong or if that's not possible
  • m
    nvm, figured it out, sorry!
  • h
    htmx surfaced in the State of JS 2022 survey: https://2022.stateofjs.com/en-US/libraries/front-end-frameworks/
  • h
    (down near the bottom in the "Other Tools" table)
  • r
    probably through the power of enough people filling in "other"
  • h
    tied with SvelteKit, beat jQuery 🙂
  • r
    its a bit crazy that htmx doesn't have a dedicated option at this point considering the adoption and how many times its been on the front of HN.
  • r
    I think they probably make options based on downloads on NPM or something.
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