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  • a
    Some of the guys here, like @User , like bulma a lot
  • f
    Ohh, looks interesting!
  • a
    Others like Tailwind a lot too
  • f
    Cool thanks!
  • a
    If you're into semantic css frameworks, check out pico.css
  • a
    or classless.de
  • a
    We're about to embark on creating a new css library/framework/thingy, that tries to be the best of a few worlds, combining semantic/classless, with a few more batteries ... obviously in keeping with the spirit of htmx
  • f
    So awesome!
  • h
    I think the problem is basically - I don't want a flash + I want to keep state in the client to some extent BUT I also want the backend to be able to kick off a redirect like a normal hx-redirect
  • a
    Here's some of the concepts Carson's penned so far: https://github.com/bigskysoftware/missing/blob/master/docs/concepts.md
  • a
    Although, @User is the man (literally - he's the project lead) when it comes to this new effort
  • h
    I think it's that simple - I want the server to control a redirect, which already can do using hx-redirect, but in a way that doesn't destroy client side state (+ boosted links have better ux)
  • a
    This sounds good to me. We don't do a great jobs with redirects at the moment... this sounds like it could slot in very nicely with some of our patterns 👊
  • h
    cool I'm gonna give it a shot
  • a
    Here's some thoughts @User penned around this, in preparation for the inaugural zoom meeting we had about this yesterday. I know this isn't gonna help you right now, but watch this space - this is gonna be a good thing: https://denizaksimsek.com/2022/missingcss-meeting/
  • f
    I can't believe how much I'm learning in 10 minutes here! You all are wild. I'll check this out. Thanks!
  • a
    😁 🥳 👊
  • m
    we are hoping that missing.css will complement htmx and hyperscript, but be broadly useful. it will encourage vanilla semantic and accessible HTML, have a classic (that is, not flat) style and provide a few high-level helper classes to allow you to tweak. I'm very excited about it.
  • f
    It does make a lot of sense to add to the dynamic duo of htmx and hyperscript!
  • f
    What a power trio it could make!
  • m
  • m
    oh, hi there
  • m
    you want to put together a nice demo of htmx and/or hyperscript? And you want to just use 
    <template/>
    tags to mock responses?
  • m
    I'm Carson Gross, you may know me from twitter as the deeply annoying person who posts repetitive memes and ackshully's a lot about REST.
  • m
    however, right now, I ackshully have something that is may be of value to you:
  • m
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<script src="https://demo.htmx.org"></script>
  • m
    baste that into whatever js demo site you like (e.g. jsfiddle) and you'll get an htmx + hyperscript environment set up:
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<button hx-post="/foo" hx-target="#result">Count Up</button> <output id="result"></output>
    as well as some request mocking infrastructure that will allow you to specify responses to requests:
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<script>
    globalInt = 0;
</script>
<template url="/foo">
    ${globalInt++}
</template>
  • m
    this will allow you to quickly and easily create demonstrations of all the bugs in htmx, hyperscript and the demo code itself!
  • m
    and yes, the mocking works for both htmx requests and also 
    fetch
    requests by hyperscript. Quite. Rather. Enjoy!
  • a
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