for oob, instead of putting disparate elements directly in the root of a fragment, we could have people wrap them in elements so they don't influence each other parsing wise

I see. what if you wrapped whatever the response was with template tags in htmx.js? like

"<template>" + (http.response.content) + "</template>"

? would that run into the same problems?

that wouldn't do much for multiple oob swaps. for a single fragment, this is the way we do it:

js
const tmpl = document.createElement("template");
tmpl.innerHTML = http.response.content;
return tmpl.content;

oh so you already use template tags like that

yes https://github.com/bigskysoftware/htmx/blob/master/dist/htmx.js#L268-L272

so how is this design still deficient?

It doesn't always play well with table elements, especially with oob swaps

It's better but still broken sometimes because of how the html parser works

And there is no good solution for it besides hacks and writing your own parser in js (from what I've seen)

Why would you have a div above a td

Just asking, maybe I am missing something

I am surprised that there isn't some sort of rolled-up, all-in-one install for it. I have to use the manual unzip on my work computer, and there's the EXE and a few DLLs, then you wait while it basically builds its

node_modules

directory underneath. And, while I don't see all the little files getting installs, the snap install on this Linux machine also has it. (FTR: This is a statement neither pro or against that; just observations and surprise.)

I used JetBrains stuff via an open-source license, but had a really busy time at my day job for a few months before renewal time, and they rejected my renewal because I wasn't active enough. :/

vscodium is pretty usable if you don't need the container tools

Re: oob swaps - I've built several apps with htmx at this point, and I briefly considered it for menus, so I could get the active page highlighted. In reality, just expanding the payload to include the item was much easier, and was still crazy-fast. I realize with keeping focus, etc., this isn't always possible; just don't dismiss this as an option without considering it (or trying it). "Don't use tables for layout." This is sound advice; "`div` soup" has its own drawbacks, but it does bring one benefit - consistency. There are no surprises about padding, margin, borders, shading, etc. because they're using the same model as the rest of the page. "`div` soup" isn't the only option, though. I've found that learning flexbox, and the time I've put in so far learning CSS grid (nowhere near expert, but approaching proficient), has paid dividends. The fact that it plays nicely with htmx is a side benefit. One other thing - the leaner your HTML, the less of a size difference it is compared with a JSON payload a SPA would use to render the same thing. It's simplified, smaller, and easier to remember 2 years from now when you come back to it to make some changes.

ya, don't use tables for layout, but imo: "Do use the semantically relevant HTML elements when you can", a lot of times when devs reach for a div they really should use another element.

All frotnend devs should real through a full list of html elements eveyr few years, if I had my way anyway.

don't use tables for layout except if you're making emails 😂

Sounds like you are on Windows...

winget install vscode

in cmd or powershell IIRC.

On a US Air Force controlled computer over AFNET?

🥲

afnet does have some proxies for well known vendors, what base are you stationed at?

I contract remote, usually connect via Langley or Lackland. We have licenses for VS Professional 2017, but that just doesn't get the job done for some things. When I was working on a Java 6 EE app (yeah), their instructions were on how to start a version of Eclipse that I used on an assignment I left in 2013... I was like "yeah, I think I can do better than that." The local install in a subdirectory of

Documents

has worked well (along with git, SQL Developer, various iterations of Node, etc.). 🙂 I'll have to try that - can you control where that gets installed? If I "install-install" something, it would get flagged; an unzipped

.zip

doesn't trip that wire.

There is a regular exe installer it the release section too IIRC

I can download the VSCode ZIP file over AFNET.

https://code.visualstudio.com/docs/?dv=win64user that's the exe version

We're on a path that may take us to commercial access vs. day-to-day on AFNET; at that point, we'll be able to install what we want, and have the output vetted, instead of our current every-step-is-vetted-like-its-production model. :/

Hopefully you aren't dealing with scif trailers. I've done quite a bit in the afrl space and they are trying to modernize.... Slowly

Specially in the mdo context