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# ceramic
  • g
    although heaps is probably more fine tuned to gamedev while ceramic is just a general media engine imo
  • g
    haxeflixel would be a good place to start gamedev i think
  • e
    flixel is good if your very new to programming in general
  • g
    yea
  • f
    I am more keen on creating good games.
  • g
    i personally havent used it because i like getting dirty with the low level stuff
  • g
    then flixel (or openfl if you want to do everything yourself)
  • g
    you could also try something like haxegon or haxepunk but they arent as actively updated
  • e
    how good a game is has nothing to with what it was made with
  • g
    ^
  • f
    And don't really mind going too low level. Does ceramic give me that flexibility?
  • g
    im sure it could, but its still missing documentation and maybe some other things
  • g
    i think its finished, only missing thing is docs
  • g
    it also depends on what type of game you want, if you want to do 3d you should probably do heaps
  • g
    just do some research and mess around with different engines and libraries, thats what i did and i just found ceramic more fun to use
  • f
    Lack of documentation is a problem. Don't mind studying code, but lack of half decent documentation is a show stopper for me.
  • g
    i mean i find that what docs are missing can either be found/described in the guides or examples or are pretty self explanatory
  • f
    The latest version of heaps is old and there seems to be a lack of active participation.
  • e
    heaps releases mean nothing
  • e
    pretty sure everyone just uses git heaps
  • f
    Why not?
  • g
    yea, a lot of people just clone
  • f
    Cloning doesn't seem like a good idea
  • f
    No guarantee that it is stable
  • g
    you migiht just need to take that risk
  • g
    but im sure there are no breaking changes that would ruin your game
  • g
    and also kind of off topic lol
  • g
    might want to ask about it in #501408700142059520
  • e
    pretty sure cannasse refuses to merge anything that breaks stuff
  • e
    and i think i heard that one of the "big companies" that use heaps uses git heaps
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