What is the best way to help someone who is carefu...
# general
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What is the best way to help someone who is careful about spending but just doesn’t make enough money to cover their basic expenses and doesn’t have the opportunity to get a higher paying job?
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I think this is the problem that many many frum people face. Or they are in jobs that are mission based such as chinuch etc. I really would like to hear of practical solutions.
m
I think if there was a one size fits all answer to this question, you wouldn't need frum.finance... I sit and craft a plan for families which takes multiple hours of out of the box problem solving to solve this issue. The solutions are usually one or more of: Education and/or career transformation Side hustle Other spouse working Moving to a less expensive city New budget Invest in enough pre tax retirement accounts that you get more government benefits Moving to a smaller house Reeducation about finance
This is what right capital helps me calculate which anyone in this slack can start doing at https://frum.finance/planning
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Can they take on a side job? Is there any other way to increase their income?
p
Options available not explicitly ruled out by the question: Charity, borrowing, government programs. Other options sort of ruled out by the question: keep looking for opportunities to increase income and reduce expenses. Options that I would discourage: borrowing with no long term plan to increase the income expense ratio. Gambling
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Well if they can't make more money, and they can't borrow without a plan, then borrowing isn't an option. Therefore, the only option you are saying is charity or government programs, which is probably correct since most people aren't willing to move and the questions says no change of income.
Also, I'm assuming there are some disabilities in the family if "there isn't an opportunity to have a higher paying job" which makes this question a lot harder and also more likely to be a good example for when tzedaka would help.
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Sometimes the lack of ability to get a higher paying job is not because of a disability but due to a lack of marketable skills and the lack of time to acquire some or as @wooden-belgium-47527 mentioned before, mission based jobs.
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Just curious, what do you guys mean by "mission based jobs"?
m
They mean shlichus
f
Or chinuch
m
I disagree with the premise that there are people that don't have the opportunity to learn a new skill. Or that someone in chinuch can't learn a side hustle. As such, I'll continue to help those people make side income and prove my theory correct 😘
The only people I've encountered so far who can't learn a skill to make more money are those that are elderly or disabled. Even people on shlichus or chinuch ive seen pick up side skills.
w
What would you say if it's not lack of ability, but lack of time? I.e. What would you say if taking on a side hustle means family neglect? Or if the person is not a high energy person and cannot juggle two jobs or focuses? Calculations often don't count for the human factor.
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m
When I sit down with a couple and make these calculations, we absolutely keep mental health as part of the formula. Very important. If a family is truly at capacity, I'll bring chesed organizations into the equation.
These cases are usually higher income earners already so they wouldn't think they need chesed organizations, but after an evaluation I convince them to get the help they need and deserve.
I'm curious if others have better solutions than what I've come to. Always looking to improve since this question is so essential.
It seems like enough people disagree in this thread, so let me hear your pushback!!
I think I scared people away 😨
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@mysterious-tomato-10057 Can you give some examples of side skills that people can learn for a side hustle?
I would honestly just lean into your skillsets though. Like if you like music teach piano after work. A good math tutor can make 200 bucks an hour. Honestly it's about finding skills and passions and leveraging them.
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Real estate is the one I see most commonly done, but I don't necessarily recommend that one since it's a fair but more time and risk than I'd want in a side hustle.
Like I know someone who charges 1000 to find and negotiate your car lease for you. I think he's a lawyer by day. People are creative. Find what you are good at and hustle.
Salesforce is a very popular new skill people are currently jumping on that pays very well.
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And what would you tell someone who doesn’t have any particular skills or passions?
m
I do the best I can to help them explore and find them. Usually it's starting the journey of information consumption so they can learn about what exists out there. Reading has been a great tool I've seen be successful in that sort of exploration.
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@mysterious-tomato-10057 Can you tell me more about Salesforce skills that can be used as a side hustle? Any particular courses to look at?
also on the topic of starting off creating wealth, there is a podcast just for that to start getting more ideas! https://www.mfmpod.com/