Exploring additional goldmines is fixing an issue with deflationary nature of Bitcoin at least

The issue with Ethereums model is that you would need a completely new type of wallet, like the user would have to actually create a new one.

Also inherent trust in putting your funds in a account secured by a 'smart contract' vs the blockchain itself.

Also they have this concept of paymasters which are special nodes than call the smart contract for you in exchange for fees, seems like a lot of moving pieces.

(re @kushti_ru : Exploring additional goldmines is fixing an is...) Idk tbh

(re @kushti_ru : Yes, hard 21M supply was mentioned everywhere ...) Satoshi is probably the same as Saberhagen ( for Monero ). Just a dude that was really good at math and cryptography but wasn't neccesarily a good a coder itself.

(re @louissignet : Satoshi is probably the same as Saberhagen ( f...) I heard this talk in Monerotopia this year by one of the first programmers of Monero where he was talking about how Saberhagen was in reality just a scientist and not a programmer. You can see that because the original implementation of Monero had lots of bugs as well.

Another reason why Kushti may be right is because Gold itself has never been really "fixed supply", there's alwasys been inflation in gold, and the expectation is we will continue mining gold by finding new deposits or even in space or asteroids.

(re @louissignet : The downside is that if Bitcoin had this funct...) I do not agree. Eventually a trade off will be found between usability/functionality and profits. No miner cares about a network that doesn't work or that nobody uses

Yeah maybe I'm processing it from the maxis viewpoint. In practice, on the block wars the miners were in favor of increasing the block size.

(re @louissignet : Satoshi is probably the same as Saberhagen ( f...) He was not very strong in cryptography actually, also was not a corporate coder, I spent some time digging through original 2008-9 code with a friend who is C++ professional (unlike me, I haven't done anything in C++ since 2006). It seems he probably was a good hacker though. Also, likely there was a team labeling themselves as "Satoshi", of 2-3 folks.

Undefined behaviour in c++. Probably more familiar in a language that returns to 0 when over-shifted. White paper mentions a predetermined supply and inflating ending so seems weird he wouldn’t mention it especially as it was promoted as fixed cap when he was still about

(re @Glasgow : Undefined behaviour in c++. Probably more fami...) If all the compilers are doing the same, the behavior is not really undefined. C++ is disaster, its standard has a lot of holes, so relying on "undefined behavior" is widespread. If behavior is really considered undefined in the C++ community, you will get a warning (on strictest level at least)

(re @louissignet : Satoshi is probably the same as Saberhagen ( f...) You're not saying they are the same person, just that they are like each other, right?

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Who knows, satoshi was talking ring signatures and blinded amounts before dissapearing

But the most suspecting part for me is the name: Satoshi Nakamoto Saberhagen Nicolas

(re : I wonder if we can get Tangem wallet sup...) they told me that they would add ergo.

(re @louissignet : But the most suspecting part for me is the nam...) both persons don't exist, same initials, stylistical similar

(re @kushti_ru : If all the compilers are doing the same, the b...) Leaving a lot to chance with different compilers in future/implementations in other languages that handle it correctly, no? Seems it’d never be defined as it’s a side-effect of trying to shift a 64-bit integer by more than 64bits. But maybe he knew all this and left it open-ended on purpose for us to fight over in a few hundreds years who knows

But Nicolas founded Bytecoin, a massive premine scam. And they (their group) made many cryptonote forks to trick investors as well

All very possible. I haven't go deep into the Bytecoin drama but I believe community forked out of the scam

There were a ton of cryptonote chains from the founding scammers, then bitmonero was forked with a clean blockchain and finally monero was forked from it because of disagreements with the bitmonero dev.

Have you not read this? https://bitcointalk.org/index.php?topic=740112.0

I wasn't around in crypto on the bitcointalk forum days

Thanks for the link

This is also an interesting read about the intentially slow mining of bytecoin which was inherited by bitmonero then monero where some people had the "fast" implementation and made lots of coins https://da-data.blogspot.com/2014/08/minting-money-with-monero-and-cpu.html?m=1

They did ask the dude in monerotpia about that. He said it wasn't on purpose, just the nature of things when starting out. The mining algo wasn't super optimized from the beginning not out of evilness but out of incompetence (lack of resources, time, etc)

(re @kushti_ru : He was not very strong in cryptography actuall...) The most funny thing, the earliest codebase had a goal to build decentralized rating system and p2p marketplace, it was manifested via few stubs and comments. So "Satoshi's vision"(TM) was not about p2p cash just.

(re @kushti_ru : The most funny thing, the earliest codebase ha...) yep I've seen this as well