Water is 2 to get in, 1 to get out. If it’s involuntary movement it would work well I think to reverse that. 1 to get in, 2 to get out

Send them flying into the water, but they have to walk out.

Yeah, thematically I really like it. Get smacked airborne and splash down. Water slows movement, so takes you extra time to get out

It works well for normal movement too thematically; easy to dive in, slow to move through and out of.

Wait so you can't empower when you get asked to make like a 'difficulty 8 survival check'? Expected to use white dice only?

Yup, you got it! You don't have to use dice, you can use cards.

Right, I know we can use cards (tho for some reason my group tends to do dice in story, cards in combat), but we definitely thought we could use empower tokens for those crazy high checks. 🤕

Better start investing in Bushcraft and such!

I believe we have for the free reroll, but all white is still crazy.

We originally thought that you always got your might dice colors for every check all the time, because that was the only way your character really upgraded for my stats perspective.

So learning that wasn't the case was already a bit of a shock, but definitely never occurred that you couldn't even use empowered on those checks.

Three rerolls using the cards should be doable I would think

I think we just have the one at the moment, and we've been trying to get at least one re-roll in all the categories, so in some ways that's a plus and minus of our strategy

But even if we had put multiple check marks in the company ability for multiple rerolls on like survival, we'd still be screwed on a random difficulty. Eight for a different category then XD

It's doable...you just have to step outside of that comfort zone of pulling 3-4 cards/dice to make it happen.

We wrote four pretty commonly, five on the higher end., But anything after that it feels like it's going to be an auto fail, or too risky

to beat a diff 8 test with say, 2 rr token, using only whites, the best bet is to roll 6 or 7 dice, both gives u roughly 63% of passing, with 3 rr the chance goes up to 75%+-, with only 1 rr, the best chance is with 6 dice at 46%+-

/r/theydidthemath

nah, i did the code, math on this is too painful for me

Yea, when it comes to weird probability stuff like that, I just write a quick sim to do 100,000 iterations on it 🙂

yeh, mine does about 10k iter only, it is accurate enough for me

Had one I wrote for Shadows of Brimstone where I wanted to reduce extreme runs of certain results, so wrote a sim to test about 3 variants versus the original to determine how much it would help, how much it changed total results over the course of a game (e.g. don't make it easier, just more consistent), and such.

havent played that yet.

Meh, it's got flavor, but the actual game play isn't super interesting.

i mostly did it out of curiousity though, just wanted to know what the optimal is in some situations

currently im trying to tackle the potential of determination, by logic, it should favor rolling large amount of dice when u have many token available. so you either go big or try again.

You can get more predictable outcomes with cards. There are plenty of times where my group can confidently pull white cards to complete difficulty 7 or 8 checks while only planning on needing to use maybe 1 reroll to complete the task.

or u can know that u are screwd no matter what u do cuz all the blanks are in the remaining pile

i dont like to play that way, rolling dice is where it is at

i would prefer if the cards had gloomhaven mechanics, that if u crit or miss u reshuffle the deck, the unpredictability is what keeps things interesting. But that is just my opinion