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  • b
    the ontology is also a bit cleaner
  • t
    I would very much like to leave Obsidian behind just because of its closed-source "kernel". However, it still has a lot of advantages for certain kinds of notes
  • b
    that makes a lot of sense to me, but I'm curious what kind of notes you have in mind specifically
  • t
    I've had the thought recently that I just use different tools for different needs instead of trying to ram them all into one tool:
    Copy code
    markdown
Facts: Hierarchical Notes (Dendron)
v ^
Information: PARA with Progressive Summarization (Zotero with highlighting)
v ^
Knowledge: Zettelkasten (Atomic notes with contextual commentary in Obsidian)
v ^
Synthesis: Outputs (blogs, papers, videos, etc.)
  • b
    This is another thing about Dendron - it is very much designed to function as an interoperable tool as part of a personal knowledge management ecosystem/toolkit, rather than as a monolithic everything. So it can suit something like that quite well. Integrating bidirectionally with other tools that aren't aiming for that kind of compatibility can be challenging though
  • t
    Additionally, Obsidian just got a plugin for "Notion database tables" which I like for certain kinds of info. And they'll be releasing a "pasteboard/vision-board" type functionality soon which (though it breaks markdown) will still be useful for certain kinds of loose notes
  • t
    Exactly. One reason I was asking about the cli is I was wondering if it would be possible to integrate the Dendron "locate and create" functionality into an Obsidian wrapper so I can stay inside one tool
  • t
    It would also let me use it on mobile maybe
  • t
    If I could find FOSS solutions to a few of my Obsidian "needs", I would love to transfer to Vimwiki and dendron exclusively. - Mobile first-class citizen - DB-style - Live preview - A few others but I'd need to think about it
  • b
    There's a good number of people who have experimented with managing the same notebase with both Dendron and Obsidian, although I haven't been keeping up with those efforts
  • b
    when you say "DB-style", are you talking about dataview and whatnot?
  • t
    I actually have my Dendron root initialized in my Obsidian vault so it's still accessible on mobile, but I don't have access to refactoring or any of the Dendron tools on mobile (not really that important though, I don't want to refactor on mobile)
  • t
    Yeah Dataview for sure. Someone has also created a plugin that depends on dataview to make well-structured SQL-like tables. One sec I'll get a screenshot
  • b
    Mobile is pretty hard, but using Obsidian for mobile interaction with a Dendron vault is indeed one of the common things people turn to. There's a few other mobile markdown applications that are sometimes used as well:
  • t
    Frustratingly, I don't have any examples without a lot of PII in it, but hopefully you get the idea
  • b
    When it comes to live preview, this is something that's in the VSCode extension - do you mean something different from that feature?
  • t
    Obsidian is find for editing, I would only need to switch for either Dendron-specific tools or FOSS
  • b
    It's also possible to rig markdown preview systems from (n)vim using pandoc and other tools
  • t
    Hm, I know I can do a split-panel preview, but Obsidian does in-line previews. Can Dendron do that?
  • t
    Note the markdown on the current line, but formatted on all others
  • b
    I haven't seen it referred to as in-line preview - is this the same as the "live preview editor"?
  • t
    Yeah, sorry that's what I meant
  • t
    Oh hey I just got a notification from the Obsidian Discord that Obsidian Canvas was just released lol
  • b
    generally, no, Dendron doesn't do this
  • t
    I think a problem is that Dendron is more opinionated (or at least appears more so) and focuses on "cache" data, not "anything you want". This causes the audience to be smaller, and so the development to lag behind Obsidian's rapid growth
  • b
    I'm pretty sure some sort of database querying functionality is in the roadmap somewhere
  • t
    I'm 99% sure the markdown-based database will be less optimized than an 
    .sqlite
    file, so integrating support for that directly into Dendron would probably be a big win
  • t
    I'm assuming you do dev work of some sort?
  • b
    I don't know what the stats are, but I'm partial to the hypothesis that these tools and their associated communities mutually benefit from each other's growth
  • s
    @Teltrix Part of the problem around Dendron / Obsidian feature compatibility is that Dendron has moved away from a composable community extensible stack (doesn't play nice anymore with lots of vcode extensions) but most importantly, VSCode is Monaco editor, which lags severely behind Code/ProseMirror that Obsidian uses (and has native editor extensibility).
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