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    kzilla

    04/13/2021, 6:08 PM
    Is is possible to incorporate Argdown in Dendron somehow? Perhaps similar to the Mermaid Javascript tool?
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    kevins8

    04/13/2021, 6:59 PM
    it is. feel free to submit a feature request though it might be a little bit before I have the bandwidth for it 😅
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    hikchoi

    04/14/2021, 1:05 AM
    I've looked at argdown a bit some time ago but haven't seen it used in the wild. I'm curious how you use this in real life.
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    kzilla

    04/14/2021, 1:36 PM
    I think this is one application, although they are not using Argdown here. https://www.wwt.com/article/decision-mapping-a-method-for-improving-decision-making
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    hikchoi

    04/14/2021, 1:39 PM
    It seems like a great tool to organize the decision making process. given that using the tool doesn't get in your way of course. it would be great if Dendron supports it smoothly.
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    hikchoi

    04/14/2021, 1:39 PM
    I can immediately see this useful when writing my retrospect/post mortem notes on projects 🙂
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    fudo

    04/14/2021, 1:40 PM
    Or if you write down arguments Pro and Contra of something during a Meeting.
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    hikchoi

    04/14/2021, 1:52 PM
    yes. a good way to organize meeting minutes I can see.
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    kevins8

    04/14/2021, 2:30 PM
    i've seen it used when tracking debates - points can often be lost in a linear thread so argdown is a good way to summarize the pertinent sides
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    hikchoi

    04/14/2021, 7:01 PM
    Question for people doing PARA with Dendron: how do you archive your notes? Currently I just have a top level
    archive.*
    hierarchy that every note gets refactored into (default
    Dendron: Archive Hierarchy
    behaviour), but I feel like this creates unnecessary noise in the graph view. Over time the
    archive.*
    hierarchy will become a partial imprint of your hierarchy tree that are currently active. I also feel like I rarely archive notes that are not projects. I either remove the notes completely if I don't find it useful, or split up the content of the notes into other relevant notes. I'm thinking of switching to having archives that are local to each hierarchies. Would love to hear how other people are managing their archived notes.
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/14/2021, 8:17 PM
    Right now I have a seperate directory(vault) for archive. However it breaks links and references. Im considering putting archive as its own top level domain in one single vault
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    xypnox

    04/14/2021, 9:01 PM
    I only have archive for project hierarchy right now, other uncategorised stuff either ends up in misc or a scratch note linked to other more higher level notes.
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    kevins8

    04/14/2021, 10:08 PM
    hmm, does the outliner support functionality different from what you can already do in vscode? https://wiki.dendron.so/notes/692fa114-f798-467f-a0b9-3cccc327aa6f.html#collapsing-headers-and-bullets
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    kevins8

    04/14/2021, 10:09 PM
    i actually stopped using archives altogether since they only make sense for projects or areas (resources are basically always present). track active projects in the
    proj
    note so anything not in there is archived 😅
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 1:51 AM
    Yes, the outliner plugin fold in the preview, as well, so it can be used with pictures references. It also can also "drill in", showing the current level and only the current level. This is extremely important for studying and notes revision:
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 1:52 AM
    During lecture, or reading, you can create an outline like this with keyboard only, with minimal friction and without taking your attention away from the lecture.
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 2:03 AM
    During review, you can collapse by level to see only the information you need. Say, Im memorizing the classes of drugs for depression. This is all I need to see. the details are collapsed. The pictures are a loci memory technique and I do want to see them during the review.
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 2:32 AM
    Now, lets say you are taking some extra notes on the MAOI class drug Selegiline, specifically. You can zoom in to Selegiline only, and not be distracted by the rest of your notes
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 2:32 AM
    This information is beyond what i need to memorize for my pharm or psych exams, so usually its neatly folded away and doesnt get in the way
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 2:33 AM
    However, when you have a patient taking selegiline, and need to add some infomration about selegeline's effects, you can open it up and add in the notes
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 2:35 AM
    And, when I write a note on a patient taking selegiline, writing [[med.psych.pharm.selegine]] (all i need to type is selegeline, itll autocomplete) will pull in the selegiline note into the local graph....as well as showing the levodopa, progestin, and SNRI notes, which sets a red flag if the patient is taking these drugs.
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 2:38 AM
    Because there is so much complexity and interactions in fields like medicine, Obsidian/Dendron(with future features) can become a one stop second brain as a place to take notes while studying, a tool for active recall during test review, and as a smart second brain database to pull in relevant information thats been noted, some which might have been forgotten, during writeups, essays, and when taking notes on patient encounters.
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 2:39 AM
    The compete workflow looks like this: During book and lecture studying: Textbooks and lectures are open. Notetaking is in Dendron, in outline format to capture the key information
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 2:40 AM
    During review: Folding outlines for active recall review.
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 2:41 AM
    During revision, and adding notes: Reading Uptodate.com or listening to specialists. Dendron is open to the specific note in the hierarchy, and I'm adding more information to the note. Because things neatly fold, they don't make the note messy as I add more details, links to papers, websites, etc.
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 2:42 AM
    Before clinical encounters: UptoDate.com is open and Im reading it. Writing what I read and process in Dendron.
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 2:43 AM
    After clinical encounters: I'm putting together writeups in dendron. Writing the reports in pull sentence English. the [[linkwords]] pull in the concepts that are relevant to the writeup.
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    HeyyyyJinn

    04/15/2021, 3:11 AM
    As illustrated this use case example, the ability to zoom into and show and only show, a specific bullet node in the outline, and the ability to link to and reference a bullet, is a huge part of the utility of an outliner.
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    kevins8

    04/15/2021, 3:46 AM
    Thanks for the detailed response. This gives me a good idea of your use case. Dendron currently supports basic outlining. Folding in the editor doesn't not currently sync to the preview. A few thoughts about how we would do this: - short term, this would be the ability to fold in the preview and synchronize that with the editor - long term, one of the ideas I've been playing around with is supporting custom views on top of the regular editor - this means you could switch between plaintext mode to "outline mode", or "WYSWG" mode - this would be pluggable so others could also write their own plugins - the idea here is that ultimately, any sort of writing interface you can think of building, you can build as a view on top of Dendron The issue is that the timeline for the above feature is still a few months away. I'm currently working on bringing on additional full timers so that we can work on some of this stuff. Long term, it will let us work on more things faster but short term, it means that the pace of new features will be a bit slower
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    fudo

    04/15/2021, 6:04 AM
    Maybe you want to take a look at [editor.js](https://editorjs.io/) which is a block based editor with this we could have a custom block based editor. I played around with it for a bit and it seems pretty nice. We could add custom Blocks or special parsers for certain tools so that the output gets parsed into our normal format.
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