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# microsoft-fslogixs
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Jarian Gibson
08/12/2019, 7:10 PMI’ve done Platform
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Kasper Johansen
08/12/2019, 7:10 PMSo have I
Kasper Johansen
08/12/2019, 7:10 PMBut I talked to Jim Moyle a while back where he mentioned the same as Rob Zylowski
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Leee Jeffries
08/12/2019, 7:10 PMI've done both previously. It makes no difference really.
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Kasper Johansen
08/12/2019, 7:11 PMthe thing with the filter altitude
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Jarian Gibson
08/12/2019, 7:11 PMYep same
Jarian Gibson
08/12/2019, 7:11 PMAbout filter altitude
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David Ott
08/12/2019, 7:11 PMyou're talking about Citrix layering? why would anyone use that?
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Jarian Gibson
08/12/2019, 7:12 PMHey it’s not a silver bullet but works for some use cases
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Nick Panaccio
08/12/2019, 7:12 PMHey now, I'm actually a fan of it. 🙂
Nick Panaccio
08/12/2019, 7:12 PMAnd yeah, I've made the filter altitude change in my current layer.
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David Ott
08/12/2019, 7:12 PMonly use case id see is if you had a ton of images to keep straight or something...
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Jarian Gibson
08/12/2019, 7:13 PMYep lots of images and no automation
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Webster Webster
08/12/2019, 7:26 PMAnd you bill by the hour
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Nick Panaccio
08/12/2019, 7:26 PMI can’t even remember the last time that I built a non-layered image. If Citrix ever figures out how to cut down the login time with elastic layering enabled, that’d be huge.
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Ryan Butler
08/12/2019, 7:27 PMYep lots of images and no supported automation
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Jarian Gibson
08/12/2019, 7:31 PM@Ryan Butler automation was they have no automation to support current image management
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Ryan Butler
08/12/2019, 7:31 PMoh my bad lol
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Jarian Gibson
08/12/2019, 7:31 PMLol
Jarian Gibson
08/12/2019, 7:32 PM@Webster Webster app layering should be teach them to fish, not do everything for them.
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David Ott
08/12/2019, 7:33 PMive never had more than a couple of images to maintain, so app layering would do me no good
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Nick Panaccio
08/12/2019, 7:42 PMWe only have a couple of images on the desktop side, but quite a few on the XA side. Ironically enough, I moved forward with Layering in XD but our XA admin hasn’t had a chance to really dive deep into Layering yet. To each his own on this one.
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David Ott
08/12/2019, 7:43 PMi messed with it when Citrix first acquired it, but didn't see any value add for me (mostly pvs environment)
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Nick Panaccio
08/12/2019, 7:47 PMIt started out as a fun exercise in new technology (to me, at least). We really wanted to utilize elastic layering, which was our main focus. I’m so in deep with it now that I don’t think I’ll go back. We’ll eventually expand our offering enough for this to be a worthwhile adventure in most people’s eyes.
Nick Panaccio
08/12/2019, 7:47 PMThat last reply makes me sound like a robot.
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Austin Madison
08/12/2019, 9:22 PM@Nick Panaccio I'm with you on app layering. We have a client that uses it and it works well. 3 images using same OS and Platform. Just a few different baked in Application layers for Power and non Power users. Then we have 20+ Elastic layers for different internal departments. Login times on average with Full User & Elastic Layers are around 30 seconds.
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Nick Panaccio
08/12/2019, 10:33 PMOut of curiosity, what version of App Layering are they on? I haven’t given elastic layering a shot since 4.15ish because it added 40+ seconds to the login, even with no layers being assigned elastically.
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Austin Madison
08/12/2019, 10:37 PMThey are on 4.17. What are you using for profile MGMT? We originally created the ENV with Citrix UPM we had long login times with elastic layers enabled. That's why we went to Full User Layers. Currently testing FSLogix.
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Nick Panaccio
08/12/2019, 11:06 PMCurrently UPM (7.15 LTSR CU2), but moving to FSLogix in the next month or so. I know what I’ll be testing tomorrow.
Nick Panaccio
08/13/2019, 11:47 AMElastic layering still adds 30-35 seconds to the login time for me, so that's still a no go.
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Austin Madison
08/13/2019, 1:17 PMThat's interesting. Where are your elastic layers stored in compairison to the VDAs from a network perspective? Is the File Share in the same location as the VDAs? I wonder if there is an issue attaching the Elastic Layer VHD to the VDAs causing the long longin times.
Austin Madison
08/13/2019, 1:25 PMAre you using PVS or MCS?
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Jarian Gibson
08/13/2019, 1:27 PMAre they user or machine assigned? Machine assign and pre seed if possible.
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Nick Panaccio
08/13/2019, 1:41 PMPVS, and this occurs without even assigning any elastic layers. Simply enabling it in the image causes the slowdown.
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Austin Madison
08/13/2019, 1:46 PMGotcha, we are using MCS. Here is an old CTX Article witch you may have seen. The last Paragraph is classic Citrix. https://support.citrix.com/article/CTX230812
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Nick Panaccio
08/13/2019, 1:48 PMI'm intimately familiar with that article, and still chuckle at it. I spent months trying to narrow down the issue, going so far as to building as vanilla an image as possible with no AV or anything else, and it didn't change a thing. I'll keep giving it a try with every new release (Windows and App Layering).
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