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# _generals
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Benjamin Crill
10/13/2021, 1:26 PMIt might not make sense technically, but CIO/CTO/CFO often see it differently
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Nick Casagrande
10/13/2021, 2:31 PMso what youre saying is "move to the cloud even if its not justifiable?"
Nick Casagrande
10/13/2021, 2:32 PMPS - My friend works for an MSP, they've moved more workloads back from the cloud than to the cloud recently. Scale is great, price, not so much
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Benjamin Crill
10/13/2021, 2:38 PMI'm not saying it's right, I'm just saying it is. MSFT and other vendors make deals that don't take into account technical requirements
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Nick Panaccio
10/13/2021, 2:39 PMPrice is big... M365 is expensive, and I see no benefit compared to what we currently do, personally. Maybe on some fringe use cases.
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Benjamin Crill
10/13/2021, 2:43 PMM365 or Windows 365?
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Nick Panaccio
10/13/2021, 2:45 PMSorry, Windows 365. No idea why I wrote M365.
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Oz Zy
10/13/2021, 3:08 PMYea, to me as a partner, its another tool in the toolbox. Fixed fee is easy but $$$$. So yea, special use cases for certain customer situations for sure.
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Touseef Rehman
10/13/2021, 3:14 PMGreed
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Benjamin Crill
10/13/2021, 3:16 PMYeah lots love the predicable cost even if more
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Ryan Gallier
10/13/2021, 4:34 PMI am an MSP, and we are actively moving loads from Azure back to our datacenter because cost/performance
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Mike Streetz (O_P)
10/13/2021, 4:43 PMPrivate Cloud is back baby
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Mike Streetz (O_P)
10/13/2021, 4:43 PM"Cloud Adjacent"
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Ryan Gallier
10/13/2021, 4:49 PMReally though, to get the same performance in Azure (disk mostly) the cost is nearly double
Ryan Gallier
10/13/2021, 4:49 PMEven with RIs
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Mike Streetz (O_P)
10/13/2021, 5:10 PMI'm not sure how these cloud adjacent data centers work if you need to ship a ton of data out of the cloud, aren't you then paying a ton in fees?
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Ryan Gallier
10/13/2021, 5:40 PMyes, it costs money to get the data out. it is what it is...
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Nick Panaccio
10/13/2021, 5:41 PMWe have one use case that may work with Windows 365 - patient/family devices, where they would access a persistent virtual desktop that's really has no insight into our domain. And even then, that use case seems like a bit of a waste.
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Rachel Berry
10/14/2021, 12:14 PMWould anyone consider that? Completely different market imo - AVD I can see some reasons and overlap in audience... but Windows 365 I can see SMB <10 user types - an engineering company with 3 seats of SolidWorks CAD allowing someone to work at home who usually uses a decent workstation - the type of org that used Frame / OpenBoundaries etc... or perhaps a law firm employing 10 summer students/interns
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Nick Panaccio
10/14/2021, 12:25 PMI think somebody higher up in the food chain just wanted to see if we could make use of our E5 contract a little more. Who the hell knows.
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