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j
We put AMP on a 10,000 user RDSH environment, so there must be a way around it. Wasn't privy to the details though
n
Thanks - did you encounter many problems with it?
j
If I referred to it as "the Fred West of VDI" would that give you a hint? It's very heavy and needed a lot of tuning before it worked acceptably. This was three years ago though, so I may be giving it a bad rep that may have improved
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n
Haha.....as I suspected. I doubt much has changed.
m
We are using AMP for many of our customers in multiuser/RDSH/XenApp. It is easily possible to use it also in non persistent environments. Extreamly easy comparing to Microsoft Defender ** https://assets.cloud.im/prod/Content/docs/Secure-Endpoint-Best-Practices-Guide.pdf
n
Thanks for the feedback - can you speak to the licensing side of it? Our security team seems to think a license is required for every person that had a session on the VM above and beyond what their physical endpoint is licensed for
s
i feel thats typically the case with licensing and RDSH. If the product is user based licensing, then any session that logged into the RDSH env would consume a license.
n
Yeah, often user based licensing covers multiple devices/instances of a product though so I wasn't sure if licensing the endpoint would cover another device (virtual desktop) or if everyone was essentially paying twice to use AMP on the endpoint accessing the xenapp server and then the xenapp server session itself
s
Ah, kinda like the Microsoft vdi license, where if your coming from a win10 device, the vdi windows license is covered.