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2: As there are numerous rumors of a split off of the EUC BU, I’m not sure if that’s the right strategy given the uncertainty that comes along with the current Broadcom situation

Those are the options Broadcom presented to us

Im not surprised, I’m just saying I’m not convinced of the longevity of that direction.

Agreed, rather go AVD

There’s always hyper-v or an alternative like Nutanix AHV (both come with pros/cons but the same goes for Citrix XS)

We moved off AHV to vSphere but looks like Hyper-V or XenServer are now in the cards

You’ll be in for a fun ride if those are your options

That is a plate of delightful options. Ouch.

I would wait a bit till it’s clear what will happen to the EUC BU at VMware. Because that BU depends on the licensing SKU as well.

@Nick Patel might I enquire as to why you got off of AHV?

There's no guessing with what will happen to Horizon, Broadcomm already said they are selling it off. XS is a good platform, nothing wrong with it and you get some features if pairing it with CVAD. Siemens runs thousands of XS nodes for their worldwide CVAD stuff. I knew a guy who worked in that team and it ran just fine for vdi workloads he said.

My infrastructure team moved away from Nutanix because we could not find a root cause for very slow response times affecting our clusters. They told me it possibly had to do with the non SQL DB that manages the nodes. Support was blaming our network. Our team tried to make network changes, firmware updates, etc. but nothing fixed it in our environment. This was back in 2020.

Above you have the kicker here for XenServer and I can confirm 100% via PMs they are not targeting anything other than simply providing an option as a target for CVAD. So Broadcom now doing Broadcom things here and those looking for an all around general enterprise grade hypervisor, that is NOT what Citrix is positioning for XenServer - not in the cards at all for that and they will tell you as much. So whereas before, some ran it for CVAD as a hosting connection and those more relatively simple needs for PVS and /or MCS. NOW, this same conversation is happening 100 times over where we are talking about being potentially a datacenter replacement for ESXi for all around general server virtualization and the all around enterprise grade feature set that comes with that task and that is NOT what XenServer is meant to me nor will it ever. In that playground, only ESXi and AHV play in that hybrid/private cloud environment space that would be required for big enterprise where is is way beyond just CVAD hosting.

Xen is the most used hypervisor in the world from what I read a few years ago

Ehh. I would love to see that cited articles or surveys of enterprises for that. Not going to go down that rabbit hole but we must read very different material. Good luck in your endeavors either way.

I love XenServer for VDI. The only issue is the lack of thin provisioning. Another option is Nutanix. I have used CE for deployments, and am amazed they aren't out marketing like crazy with the whole VMWare "situation" (tm)(c)(r)

I like the concept of nutanix, but there's just no eco system for it after all of these years. its weird how it is some good adoption, but just never really took off it seems

No ecosystem? What would you be missing?

Wonder what is missing as well…

if you have ever lived though a Xen outage, you likely won't be waving the happy flag. I ran it internally for years, until i could get budget for something that didn't bring the org to it's knees. I implemented it for customers when consulting (when that was their choice for Citrix), and there was always something that was off with it. Be it storage, networking, PVS accelerator blowing up, MCS disk cloning failing. Just always something. I know amazon used a flavor of Xen which i believe has now been replaced. The ecosystem for XenServer is garbage.

I know Amazon were introducing KVM alongside a Xen thing, but it is still listed on their site as EC2 being Xen based https://aws.amazon.com/what-is/hypervisor/#:~:text=For%20example%2C%20Amazon%20Elastic%20Compute,to%20run%20their%20AWS%20workload. Amazon's own hardened version of Xen was never vanilla Xen or available to others but might explain some stats like Xen is most widely used hypervisor for certain use case

I think the track said ‘and how this never happened’

That cost from on-prem to cloud is astronomically more than just buying the more expensive VMWare licensing. And on-prem azure stack is so not ready for prime time.

“How to migrate 75k users from on-prem to cloud: I have definitely not done this.”

Horizon for Linux includes 'VSphere for Desktop' on subscription, is that still an option?

Could Azure HCI be an option for those with a hardware refresh need?

Not unless they have put a ton of work into it. I tried for weeks to get it to work and it would die at various times.

Citrix spoke of supporting MCS on Azure Stack HCI through Windows Admin Centre, i.e no SCVMM. It was on roadmap back in 2022, anyone heard anymore?

Azure Stack HCI shows up in your Azure Portal as another location, so MCS will interface with Azure Portal and will send it down to your Azure Stack HCI.

Still needs SCVMM afaik - https://docs.citrix.com/en-us/citrix-virtual-apps-desktops/install-configure/install-prepare/msscvmm

That will work with everything except Windows 10/11 multi-user session. That still needs to be provisioned and managed from Azure Portal for licensing.

There's a Nutanix vSphere -> AHV webinar starting soon https://choicesolutions.com/zoom-meetings/nutanix-choice-webinar/

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