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It works that good 👍
h
Really? Didn't see that coming - for any product really! :)
j
a little bit of both I suppose 🤣
the universal profile feature is pretty neat and their layering solution seems more adequate than applayering
r
Lol yea I was messing, but yea flexapps is really good when I used it compared to applayering . Profile portability is very good
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c
What's the reason to use Profile Unity over FSLogix?
d
The two major things would be Portability between OS types, and backup for important settings (as you can't just restore a specific setting with FSLogix). You can use them both, so Profile Unity on top of FSLogix and where you don't have FSLogix you can still use Profile Unity to roam your settings.
j
Not widely used IME, but FlexApp is pretty good. Still, it's a paid option tho
n
We are switching from CPM to Liquidware later this year, so the channel may get busier...
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In my experience clients that own Profile Unity products like to use all the products. FlexApps, Profiles, and the UEM tool. I like FSLogix, but I feel that CPM containers and CPM file base are much better in all the updates this past year. However @Jonathan Pitre did have a Teams issue and had to revert back to FSLogix I think. If you don't own the Profile Unity software like James said it's a paid setup. Then No reason to switch IMHO. However, if you are looking to simply things in one tool and want to invest, then I would go for it. But it you own Citrix WEM and UPM/FSLogix it may be a hard selling factor for business. But I did it 2 years ago and it did help me. The FlexApps product is very powerful and it would be my number 1 go to if it was my choice. FlexApps one can be used on Desktop that are none- Citrix/Horizon related as well and simply all apps across the EUC platform. The Profile portion allows you to go between different OS architectures as it hydrates the profile for whatever OS you need. Then they have a nice Invanit/WEM like UEM setup as well. From my experience they have a good team over their too. I don't work for Liquidware, I had great experience with the products.
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We own literally everything from Citrix, still switching to the full suite from Liquidware.
Gonna be an interesting transition.
I saw a demo of their app packaging product... the GUI looks atrocious, and on the face it didn't look like it did anything more special than some of the MSIX builders. End result was just a .vhdx image.
r
yea, pretty much all it is.
The only thing I don't like is all the Files required to go into Sysvol. Lots of scripts they require.
n
Well, we love our scripts here, so that wouldn't be an issue.
r
Sounds like you guys will have great success with it.
n
sweating
I think we're also going to be migrating our CPM profiles to LW, and that part gives me the most pause.
r
I believe the Profile Portability may help in this situation. You would setup the Portablity to grab the UPM parts that would inject it in the profile unity side.
n
It'll be interesting to say the least. I have no involvement in the LW stuff, so I'm watching from the sidelines.
r
gotach, well LW team will help make sure things are 100%.
n
They better if they don't want me to point and laugh...
r
But there Statusphere stuff is SO POWERFULL. It will find a needle in a haystack.
n
My only experience with LW was their Stratusphere product, which I thought was a giant pile of garbage.
HAHAHA
r
hahaha
It's so much data, but we use it to evaluate clients issues and it's a lot. But if you know how to use it, you will find every issue.
n
We tried using it for our app virtualization project, and it was just a mess. Ended up relying on SCCM data.
r
interesting
n
Yeah, too much data at times, and the reporting was atrocious.
r
I am about to go through it again. I had to call in a expert to help me with the data digesting
n
The lack of a report builder was the biggest drawback. I had to run 8 different reports to get the data I wanted.
LW even promised to build the report for us, but never did.
So when the renewal rolled around, we reminded them of that and let it expire.
r
Well, I can't argue that. Some people will let you down I suppose.
d
@Ray Davis do you guys also use CommandCTRL for the servicedesk now?
r
No sir, that one is new to me.
d
have a look at it, it's great for the servicedesk and provide LW feedback what is missing in CommandCTRL so they can even make it better
Looks fancy
j
Ridiculously timely Hilary, we're likely pivoting away from Ivanti WC (former RES) to Liquidware PU later this year.
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d
Sadly this is what many IWC customers are forced to do, move away from a great product
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@Coleman Kelly I am interested in ProfileUnity over fslogix for async logon and ability to granularly roll back changes and the portability from one OS to another
Also interested in potentially using Stratosphere for software metering in order to prove consumption to vendors in the event of an audit and to right size any concurrent licensing to potentially save money during renewals
And FlexApp because of how long it takes to make even the most simple of updates to an existing Citrix AppLayer. We are looking to save a lot of admin time which should help offset some of the costs.
well probably end up doing a POC so I will also be helping to make the channels busier
another possible value add is in the arena of user self service. If we deploy FlexApp one to users via Intune, that should save some support man hours.
d
Where are you guys located? all in the US?
h
yep
One more thing on ProfileUnity; We have a completely separate DR site in another datacenter. Redirected folders are shared, but currently the FSLogix profile containers are completely separate. So in a disaster, users would have their data and apps but not settings. So desktops will feel like a new machine in many ways. The ability to share profile settings across these environments will be a big UX win if it works as well as the vendor says. Its not so much about cost, but rather value.
d
Should be possible with Profile Unity, can’t think of a reason why it shouldn’t, you can even store the settings in the cloud. Costs by the way are not that high compared to e.g. ivanti Workspace Control or ivanti UWM, Liquidware has a great offering where you get Stratussphere Profile Unity and Flexapp in one suite as LW Essentials. If there’s an interactive webinar planned (or if one can be planned) I’ll drop a link to it here.
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@Dennis van Dam is the like the Edge DX and remote Dx CU has?
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You can setup a PoC for Profile Unity and Flexapp in a few minutes as you don’t need a huge backend.
If Edge DX is just monitoring and Remote DX is monitoring PLUS actions then yes. Stratusphere is a catalase filled with a huge amount of metric coming from your devices where you have many ready to use insight overviews. Where CommandCTRL gives you more insights specific for service desk or 2nd line troubleshooting where you can remote into a machine, trigger scripts etc.
There’s some good dare2compare content on the LW YouTube channel, they aren’t that new but still valid. The new videos are good content explaining how easy the products are to implement and use. https://youtube.com/@liquidware5938
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I was able to setup Flexapp and Profile Unity in my lab in a few hours. Also able to setup FlexApp Packaging Automation. Hoping to do a full POC this summer.
d
I’ll try to get you guys a webinar or 1 on 1 session to get up to speed. Let me know if you don’t want to be contacted for a tech session so I can exclude you
j
@HilaryClegg re: PU Profile high availability, we're looking at using Peer GFS for replicating all that PU persona data. I was sick in March...but did you make it out to the March SD CUGC meeting? Paul/Jack were out here.
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@Jon Bucud - Yep, I made the cugc meeting and that is what got me looking at flexapp again. We keep our data on a Unity NAS which has replication built in. Home folders are on a replicated filesystem and accessed over the wan when logging into the DR site (until we migrate data into OneDrive down the road). However, the filesystems for profile containers are static to each datacenter (not replicated) in order to prevent crossing the wan to pull profile blocks from the active NAS in the geocluster. And because the two Citrix sites are separate (not multiple zones), I didn't want to pull over anything site specific into the wrong site. I guess I need to read more about how this might need to change in a PU deployment. I do want consistent profile settings, but I don't want profiles being pulled over the wan.
@Jon Bucud I just saw your other post about PeerGFS. I know others were talking about bvckup2 for replicating container shares recently too. Seems like not using built in replication might be the better option in order to ensure both replicas are writable.
The bad part about this is that the Unity filesystems are emulated windows servers. Meaning you cant run any replication software directly on them to push or pull data from one filer to another directly. I would need a man in the middle doing the file transfers so will take twice as long.
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Another one if you need more material. But James convers it well. https://blogs.mycugc.org/2022/02/22/replicating-fslogix-vhdx-with-bvckup2/
j
Hi guys I work at Liquidware as a PMM so happy to answer any questions or get you demos on any of our products. I saw some chat about CommandCTRL so happy to give you any details you want on it.
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