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# microsoft-fslogixs
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James Kindon
04/27/2023, 8:06 AMYeah I don’t agree with the guidance there at all - it’s been dumbed down without real logic or justification. Do what makes sense per customer - probably written by those who have never implemented it in the field :-)
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Balint Oberrauch
04/27/2023, 8:07 AMtotally agree with your opinion 🙌
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Kasper Johansen
04/27/2023, 8:08 AMThe well know phrase "It depends.." probably applies here
Kasper Johansen
04/27/2023, 8:09 AMUse ODFC if it makes sense and fits your needs, otherwise keep it simple with Profile Container
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Balint Oberrauch
04/27/2023, 8:14 AMMaybe I'm missing certain technical points, that's why I started this thread. IMO splitting up often makes sense.
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Kasper Johansen
04/27/2023, 8:21 AMThere is a bit more context in this Youtube video:
He mentions that one reason to split up the Profile data and ODFC data could be if you want to backup the Profile data/container, but not the cached ODFC data. The cached ODFC data is IMO not essential, as it basically just syncs down again if needed.
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James Rankin
04/27/2023, 8:26 AMThree reasons to split - different storage tiers, saving space on replicated data, or being able to reset the cache independently of the rest of the profile
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James Kindon
04/27/2023, 8:26 AMThat video leaves some things to be desired
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James Kindon
04/27/2023, 8:27 AMAgreed on the above
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Kasper Johansen
04/27/2023, 8:27 AMThe Azure Academy videos often leaves things to be desired. But in this case if provides a bit more context around the ODFC recommendations
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Balint Oberrauch
04/27/2023, 8:36 AMWhat concerns me more is Microsoft's official recommendation not to use a dual container configuration.
Even if this solution makes sense based on the needs of the customer, it can be harder to justify this.
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James Rankin
04/27/2023, 8:37 AMJust ignore what MS say, they have no real world experience most of the time. Some of the big hitters from FSLogix have moved on to different business units
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Balint Oberrauch
04/27/2023, 8:37 AMhahahaha love it
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James Kindon
04/27/2023, 8:40 AMHalf of them can’t spell it. Even in the video there is a lack of actual facts around what fslogix was for initially - so yeah - ignore it
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James Rankin
04/27/2023, 8:41 AMI spoke to one MS engineer who told me I needed to "speak to this vendor, FSLogix, that's where the issue lies". He was quite shocked to find they actually own it
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Mike Ryan
04/27/2023, 9:13 AM@James Rankin same here when I had the misfortune of opening a case. The support person said that they learn something new every day. I guess that's what I'm here for.
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Reinhard Travnicek
04/27/2023, 10:03 AMHello guys, I totally agree with you. And most often it makes sense to split profile and office data. BUT as a solution architect (and consultant) I worry that at the end of the day Microsoft/FSLOGIX will sit back and relax if something breaks in a dual container solution. And worse customers might start questioning my design decisions against Microsoft tips. I've learned that by placing tips engineering often wants to nudge us away from solutions they don't want to support in the future.PLS someone from Microsoft explain why this tip exists and what to expect if we don't follow this tip.
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James Rankin
04/27/2023, 10:04 AMThey can nudge all they want, as long as the policy exists they have to support it. They don't want to support it, they will have to deprecate it. And then I will just move everyone to UPM Containers instead
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James Rankin
04/27/2023, 10:05 AMIf I had a pound every time someone had tried to show me some "MS design tip" that went against my recommendations I'd be retired by now. The "tips" are just there because they're idiots who don't understand their own product in the field
James Rankin
04/27/2023, 10:05 AM<rant off>
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Jarian Gibson
04/27/2023, 10:15 AMExactly, if they don’t want people using it then they should remove the capability from the product.
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James Kindon
04/27/2023, 10:19 AMJust another nail in the coffin really. I miss the days of fslogix being fslogix
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James Rankin
04/27/2023, 10:20 AMUPM all the way now man 🙂 I should have a video on my YouTube channel soon about me bigging it up
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James Kindon
04/27/2023, 10:26 AMYeah feel is the same here. Had a good run, but lost its mojo and UPM team are so damn good and willing to build - makes it hard to ignore
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Rachel Berry
04/27/2023, 11:21 AMIf it wasn't for that video I wouldn't have spotted the Microsoft official advice had changed... it's very hard to deal with customers when they have official MS advice to refer to so not sure where that leaves folks...
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Jarian Gibson
04/27/2023, 12:29 PMAnd add in support issues. CPM/UPM getting better and better!
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Aaron Parker
04/27/2023, 12:31 PMIt won’t be an issue for Outlook much longer. OST files will be no more soon (for M365 customers at least)
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James Rankin
04/27/2023, 12:32 PMSo no more local cache?
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Benjamin Crill
04/27/2023, 12:42 PMOnline mode for all?
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James Rankin
04/27/2023, 12:42 PMMy trade floor will go ballistic about working in online mode only, no matter how reliable it is
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Aaron Parker
04/27/2023, 12:47 PMI have no cache on my machine at the moment where I’m using the Outlook preview. Offline support is coming (https://support.microsoft.com/en-us/office/getting-started-with-the-new-outlook-for-windows-656bb8d9-5a60-49b2-a98b-ba7822bc7627), but given it’s effectively a wrapper for the web app, I would think switching b/w offline and online mode should be a better experience. What it should mean though is that cached mode shouldn’t be needed for performance reasons
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James Rankin
04/27/2023, 12:48 PMGotcha
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Nick Casagrande
04/27/2023, 1:22 PM@James Rankin Can the traders use OWA and ditch the outlook fat client? I'm slowly getting my users to convert over, Outlook is evil!
Nick Casagrande
04/27/2023, 1:22 PMComing soon to FSL release notes. ODFC has been deprecated, lol
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James Rankin
04/27/2023, 1:22 PMThey will freak because they always think that anything online carries inherent risk. But we can probably get them there in about ten years
James Rankin
04/27/2023, 1:23 PMODFC deprecated? over to UPM then 🙂
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Nick Casagrande
04/27/2023, 1:23 PMDoes CPM offer to split them? I can't remember / haven't played with it in a long time since it's release
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James Rankin
04/27/2023, 1:23 PMYou can put the OST, OneDrive, Search into a VHD, you can also add your own list of folders as well
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Nick Casagrande
04/27/2023, 1:25 PMah ok, so kinda like odfc. i personally like the one profile container approach, that works for us, but "it depends"
Nick Casagrande
04/27/2023, 1:26 PMWhen I tell people to switch over to OWA they're in shock and awe about how their email is in a web browser and not the Outlook they've been using for 30 years. I respond with, "Your personal email is on the web too, gmail, yahoo, hotmail, etc" And then I hear crickets as they realize their argument is defunct.
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Kasper Johansen
04/27/2023, 1:32 PM@Aaron Parker do you know if the new Outlook app able to handle the "classic" Outlook add-ins?
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Nick Casagrande
04/27/2023, 1:47 PMno add-in's here thank God
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Jarian Gibson
04/27/2023, 1:52 PMJust give them OWA as PWA. Boom! Problem solved… 🤣
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Nick Casagrande
04/27/2023, 1:53 PMWhat's PWA? Too many TLAs in our industry (three letter acronyms)
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Jarian Gibson
04/27/2023, 1:53 PM“Install this site as an app option”
Jarian Gibson
04/27/2023, 1:54 PMIn your browser
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Benjamin Crill
04/27/2023, 1:54 PMOver/under 3 years there will be no more Office to install
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Jarian Gibson
04/27/2023, 1:55 PMPWA = progressive web app
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Kasper Johansen
04/27/2023, 1:55 PMI have some customers who are using multiple add-ins, some are still using 32-bit add-ins
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Aaron Parker
04/27/2023, 1:56 PM@Kasper Johansen I doubt it
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Nick Casagrande
04/27/2023, 1:58 PMwe have tons of excel books with vba / odbc code to download and massage data from our erp. not doing that on the web....
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Danny
04/27/2023, 4:18 PManother thing i noticed in his video was regarding teams redirections..he said teams only supports two redirections but I'm using @James Kindon xml and there are 9 redirections for Teams. anyone else ever hear of that?
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Kasper Johansen
04/27/2023, 6:08 PM@Danny I think it's the MS supported redirections that are mentioned in the video