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the goodness or not of YC
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j
"is YC worthwhile" has been a topic of interest for a while, at least with reference to myself, so I of course opened this comment thread which is currently sitting at #2 on HN: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=35373019 In true HN fashion I didn't read the article, but based on comments my impression is that OP's criticisms can mostly be ignored. It does sound like doing it in person is a lot better than doing it remote though, which makes me wonder: if it turns out that 9th time is the charm for YC applications and I get accepted this summer, could/should I actually manage to somehow move down there, for the three months the batch is running at least? It would likely be extremely disruptive to my current family situation--living with parents, who help a lot with childcare. Suffice it to say that for the sake of my wife's mental health (and mine too, as a result) I'd be extremely wary of moving away and no longer having that support. Maybe we could get a nanny... or maybe just bring my parents with us ha ha. I guess it wouldn't be that different from when they got an airbnb for a month+ to help out my sister. (She has four kids now, at least we only have two.) Anyway, I guess I'll just apply like I always do, and I'll worry about logistics if I actually get in. Another potential concern is "does taking YC investment match up with my fundamental values and goals and stuff in general/for yakread," which is a very 🤷 issue for me now. But I guess I'm happy to let YC decide that.
l
Perhaps a strange question, but what would you do differently with YC investment than you would eventually do on your own with Yakread (other than accelerate the timeline, which I assume is a given)? (And not saying that funding isn't nice, regardless)
j
at the very least, I would stop doing any consulting, and I would definitely not get a job, which otherwise could be a possibility sometime this year. If I did get YC investment, I would go more gung-ho into "try really hard to get yakread to grow into a successful/quickly growing business", instead of my current "try pretty hard but also put time into side things like biff etc"
in my current state, the latter is imo a better plan since doing the alternate stuff is a form of risk mitigation--but with investment, my risk would be sufficiently mitigated already
l
Makes sense! I'm curious how many other YC founders also have families--and if there's any advice around trying to do both.
j
yeah... with what, 400 companies in each batch, I'm sure there's at least a decent chunk. I guess that could be a good thing to ask about if I did get in; maybe we could rent nearby other founders and pool babysitting or something
l
Reading the article, I'm surprised by a few points--first, yeah, those 400 companies per batch you're talking about, second being that they've now upped to $500k for 7%, and third that apparently the Demo Day barely matters because "good companies close the round a week before DD". Kinda crazy. Maybe I still had it in my head somewhat that YC was like, 20 companies max, giving you just enough runway to blast on your idea until you inevitably became one of their golden-boy disruptors. This seems like a lot more money and a lot more people than it used to be, which does personally give me some mixed feelings...
I dunno. Maybe I've been sipping the Indie Hacker / Levelsio kool-aid for too many months, now.
j
ah yeah, the 500k thing happened sometime last year IIRC My understanding is that the terms are such that it's basically still more like $125k for 7%, and the rest is more of an advance on future investment or something
part of me wants to not like YC, partially since paul graham was a major influence for me originally and I've since become disillusioned with him/broader startup culture to some degree. Though trying to look at it objectively, I think it probably is still legit and stuff it's funny to think about how much of that is just from the recommendation of dang and patio11, both of whom I respect a lot and also both of whom are quite pro-YC
at the end of the day, I doubt taking money from them would make me worse off then not taking money from them in any case 🙃
I read some comments that said the increased investment could end up being bad in some cases if you raise more money after YC but your metrics aren't on a great trajectory, or something
like, the 500k is given at some sort of pseudo-valuation, and so if you don't live up to that, then it may turn into baggage during subsequent rounds. that was the gist I got at least
l
Hmm. Good to know. That kinda stuff does scare me minorly--would hate to find myself in a situation where I'd need to raise money to pay back earlier investors (if that even is what they mean by "baggage")
Maybe the real takeaway for me is that I need to go through the Startup School online course again 😅
j
no, I don't think that's it; I just mean that yc will get a larger chunk of your equity in the subsequent round than they would have otherwise. i.e. you get more diluted, or something, I think
something something cap table something something
l
ahh that makes more sense
j
oh yeah, that was another reason I've been dubious about YC--I participated in startup school and thought it was a waste of time lol
l
man i really should learn more of this stuff before making judgment calls here
I generally found the advice in the Levelsio book more immediately actionable lol
j
and yet on hn when startup school gets discussed everyone's like "it was so awesome" => "I see on hn that YC people also say 'it was so awesome'..."
mm maybe I should check that out
l
it's more kinda braindead stuff, but it's so KISS that it helped me frame what exactly I wanted from a side-project / maybe eventual income stream
One massive value I see in YC is merely being in a community that will want you to succeed and will hold you accountable -- like how you can read endless forum threads on exercise, but having a trainer makes you answer for acting on that knowledge on a regular basis
imo--given how trivial it is for a SWE to make a livable salary, that + being able to tunnel on it full time might be a bigger value prop than money
j
I have heard people cite that as a primary benefit, and I think that's what I'd be most concerned about losing if I did YC remotely
l
Yeah, that'd be my fear. Wouldn't be sufficiently different from my day-to-day (minus the 5d/8hrs a week I already spend at work)
...plus it's... cough cough kinda easy to blow off a zoom call cough cough...
j
lol yes
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