we are seeking developers in India who are expected to work between 6 PM - 3 AM.

Ummm, I don’t know what to say here.

Yay? Must be a natural fit for someone 🙂 I know several people who don't start work before afternoon in any case.

That's difficult shift your sleep is completely disturbed .

This sounds awfully similar to;

We are a globally distributed remote-only organization. Currently only hiring in US.

Noon (Say 1-2PM) + 8 hours ends your day at 9-10 PM, which is still sane if not ideal. I usually discuss this during interviews because I've left traditional organizations because shifts just don't work for me.

I don’t demean such companies, it is totally understandable if entirety of the company sits in same country, but then they can stop bragging about being global upfront.

@many-intern-37109 Wats the Tech stack?

Real remote across 8-10 timezones requires defaulting to asynchronous communications. Most companies or more accurately people don't deal well with it.

Not referring to OP Job post specifically, but then isn't that a culture/operations change that is possible, like any skill that can be learnt. I am sure what I say next may be a different thread on it's own, but I find it hypocritical when management of companies that have been working remotely for the past year still insist that they want to go back to office "once the pandemic is over or in 3 months" but refuse to transition and learn how to work remotely, while the same management insists that employees should be able to pick up new skills and 'adapt' to changing trends.

Also the "open" office culture is promoted as an excuse to enforce spying and micro-management of employees. They are trying to find ways to do this for remote work too. Microsoft was caught spying on employees during wfh. Some companies are forcing employees to use always-live camera hardware. Sooo much nonsense. You could instead focus all that energy on paying the employees well and treating them properly and they would automatically be 10 times more productive

Problem with all remote culture specifically in India is like a catch-22 situation. Employees usually slack off in the name of working from home, and hence employers have hard time trusting them and are forced to track their work via direct and/or indirect means, and vice versa.

IMHO, a massive cultural shift is required in perception of "what counts as work" in the modern era. People slack off at office too but it just looks like work because they are always there. We don't need strict mundane 8 hr days. Let's be more dynamic. I am fine with putting in 10-12 hrs in emergencies but also let me shut down if I get work done within 5 hrs on other days. As long as work gets done you should be good to go. If I were to ever start my own company I would choose Basecamp's philosophy

I like open office culture.

Micro manager feeling bad these days as they can't do so called management , they are toxic managers

I have seen all kind of slacking off in offices. Its so normal. The usual response is. Its "being busy" if you do it in office. Slacking off if you are working from home.

@faint-energy-11966 but how do you decide how much work were you supposed to do? If my team wants me to build 5 huge features in a week, I'll have to work like 15+ hrs a day to get it done in a week .. But if it's a small change then maybe an hour is enough..

my team wants me to build 5 huge features in a week.

If they (team) realize that these are huge features, and a week is too short of a time to do it, then such company has bigger problems to solve around their work culture.

@flat-morning-91037 Calm down mate.. I was just giving a hypothetical situation to explain my point that "getting work done" is not a good measure of how much you should work

Oh I'm not in aggression at all, sorry if it sounded like that. 😅 Just that working in async requires clear expectations set and I was trying imply to why unrealistic deadlines and remote work can't get along well.

I agree, clear expectations and trust.

Late to the party! Wanted to clarify so that the JD doesn't come across as rudeness. Actually these are the expectations but the team is so chilled out that honestly no one honours the time frame in the team once they synch with the team in first couple of months. Just an overlap of 4-5 hours has been enough is what we have seen in last 5 years of the company. But the statement needs to be added as the client is scaling and with scaling comes bit of responsibilities as we all know. But that too is rotated among devs in our team so that no one has to stress or stretch. I have seen remote companies adding compulsory employee trackers in system and would like to clarify that we are not one among them and have never tracked or thought about it as the team sync has been pretty good from the start fortunately. Long story short: overlap of 6-11 PM or 7-12 PM is more than enough post 2 months.

Not exactly the Job Description, is it then? 😅

Well! That was the official JD. Don't know what else would suffice or pique candidate's Interest. Learning on the go. 🙌🏼 You think writing the overlaps would help better reflect the flexibility in the JD? And because of the lack of that, will it nullify the entire JD?

@silly-balloon-70598, I think it's fine, a person who is OK with graveyard shifts would apply. There is nothing to it. Maybe the org can think of distributed employees in intermediate timezones (and using follow the sun) so that the expectation from the East to stay on at odd hours would be reduced.

That's the plan! People are from Indonesia, Vietnam, India, Eastern Europe and USA. 🙌🏼