Hello Why the heck is is orbstack hiding the .img file from TM by default? who thought this was sa good idea to begin with? Data should always be safe first THEN you worry about disk usage not just the docker image but even the volumes the datastore are not backed up! hello? this a product you selling to companies, promoting to users and by default it will NOT have any backup anywhere! backblaze skip it , you disabled timemachine by default this is unacceptable and show incompetence by the team in the decision making process I lost a DB with more then 50GB of data thanks to someone thought they were the smartest person in the room, evidently they were not.

in TM there only a readme file the folder is 500 byte

There are issues with some backup tools since the data file is a 8TB sparse disk, backblaze is one of those tools

is this where the data is? https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/1534958168092836000/1534959569992941702/image.png?ex=6a7605ff&is=6a74b47f&hm=1d8da52f59850b2e26394abe3f90a0eeccabd47b866855f4327043cf77d86ab5&

There are also cases where if the time machine disk is not formatted as APFS, because it's a 8TB sparse file, it will try to prune storage

orbstack is a dev env mostly i imagine, it needs to have backups

This is all explained in the FAQs on the website

ye but that FAQ aint gonan save you when users come asking for explanation why they lost all their data

~/Library/Group\ Containers/HUAQ24HBR6.dev.orbstack/data/data.img

This is the file, there are two different sizes reported, there is actual usage and then the apparent size which shows 8TB

if cant be backed up = bad design i would call it a p0 fix level

Losing just orbstack data for someone who hasn't read the FAQ page or looked through the settings is nothing compared to someone getting their time machine backups purged because time machine thinks the data image is 8TB

well then the design is inherently wrong or some compromise need to be found

You could have backed up and validated at any point prior to needing to restore that you had it

i mean frustrated is an understatment

Clearly by the way you decided to post here about it

i mean the amount of data i lost is not small and it was important data

If Orbstack decided to do a 30GB sparse file, if you need to resize that would probably require resizing and actually rebooting the VM and haulting everything running for the new size to be recognized by apples virtualization framework

better then dataloss

So there is probably a reason that the default size is large, because then it can freely size up and down without restarting the environment

ooor could make an img file per container.... like i could come up with 20 different implementation in 20 minute all better then this one

And there is probably a reason you aren't building your own Orbstack

yea could have prevented like by cloning the drive i dunno nay other safety net that catches all kind of failure

Or just confirm that you had working backups and did at least one restore test / validation

i sue ornstack because my dev machine is mobile, so compared to docker it has upsides

The only compromise is that you didn't confirm you had things backed up though, not a fundamental flaw with Orbstack

to catch any of those hardline cases

you see it completely wrong

It's your job to manage your data

especially if im a paid customers that stuff does not fly

Losing just orbstack data is better than someone having time machine backups on by default with the wrong filesystem type and time machine nuking all their other data before processing the sparse file

ye but both are no go there should be no case where you hav to pick between two horrible decisions

Except that it's not the only two choices

the default should be no user data loss

You can't decide to not RTFM and complain someone else cut your leg off

if there something this big there should be a massive alert the first time you open the software

I'm not shifting the responsibility, I'm just giving my opinion here as another user just like you are sharing your opinion

mien is not an opinion

It is. I have migrated my data twice with orbstack and time machine

ye but you knew data is not retained in any backup

It was retained in the backup because I ensured that it was on

ye im sorry that just the wrong mentality

You are fully entitled to your opinions like everyone else

i mean sure ok but you selling this to companies

I'm not selling anything

i guess i drop them an email