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    slopezcastano

    06/15/2021, 7:33 AM
    Why would it be different from non-moving walls?
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    lusciousllamas

    06/15/2021, 7:36 AM
    To me its feasible there is a line of code saying something like "if at wall V = 0" which would then cause an issue with a moving wall But that doesn't sounds like best practice for this exact reason
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    slopezcastano

    06/15/2021, 7:39 AM
    Which BC are you talking about?
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    slopezcastano

    06/15/2021, 7:40 AM
    a simple fixedValue does the job...
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    dendri

    06/15/2021, 7:41 AM
    Thanks guys 🙂 I don't know how to answer your question, so can I ask why would it not be different from a non-moving wall?
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    slopezcastano

    06/15/2021, 7:43 AM
    does a wall produce TKE
  • s

    slopezcastano

    06/15/2021, 7:43 AM
    ?
  • d

    dendri

    06/15/2021, 7:45 AM
    Well I suppose not 🙂
  • d

    dendri

    06/15/2021, 7:45 AM
    Thanks again both!
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    slopezcastano

    06/15/2021, 7:46 AM
    Does your answer change if the wall moves? (Imagine yourself moving w/ the wall, at same speed, if it makes things easier)
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    dendri

    06/15/2021, 7:48 AM
    So the main point here is the no-slip condition?
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    slopezcastano

    06/15/2021, 7:53 AM
    No, the main point is the definition of TKE. TKE = 0.5*(u')^2, where u' refers to velocity increments/fluctuations. Since we are not at the statistical mechanics side of things, the wall's constituent "particles" dont vibrate hence no fluctuations ergo k = 0
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    dendri

    06/15/2021, 7:54 AM
    That makes a lot of sense!
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    slopezcastano

    06/15/2021, 7:55 AM
    Even in the kinetic theory side of things, the transfer of momentum via collisions between the wall and the fluid is exceedingly small due to the fact that one is a solid...
  • d

    dendri

    06/15/2021, 7:55 AM
    Great 🙂 this helps a lot. Thanks slopez!
  • d

    dendri

    06/15/2021, 8:04 AM
    Since you're so helpful, could I ask what the boundary condition at the top would be if the lid is only covering a part of the top surface?
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    dendri

    06/15/2021, 8:04 AM
    Something like this, where the lid is the colorful part and the sides are free surfaces
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    dendri

    06/15/2021, 8:04 AM
    It's a step ahead so I haven't thought about it yet, but since we're on the topic 🙂
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    dendri

    06/15/2021, 8:06 AM
    (So this would be a 3D cavity and that is the view from above)
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    lusciousllamas

    06/15/2021, 9:14 AM
    Not sure what you mean by if the lid is only covering part of the surface That to me implies that you have a container open to the air which would then become a multiphase problem
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    dendri

    06/15/2021, 10:41 AM
    Sorry, just saw this 🙂 and I'm only looking at the liquid in the container. The free surface should just be a different set of boundary conditions on that part of the top boundary
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    dendri

    06/15/2021, 10:42 AM
    And the height of the liquid in the container is kept constant
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    Malte

    06/15/2021, 10:51 AM
    What do you mean by free surface but constant liquid height
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    Malte

    06/15/2021, 11:01 AM
    @User
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    dendri

    06/15/2021, 11:03 AM
    Hey! So the velocity at that part of the surface is (u, v, 0). I'm imposing that as a boundary condition
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    Malte

    06/15/2021, 11:03 AM
    that would be a slip wall
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    dendri

    06/15/2021, 11:04 AM
    The z component is 0 throughout the top surface actually
  • d

    dendri

    06/15/2021, 11:04 AM
    Right! Yes :) free slip basically
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    slopezcastano

    06/15/2021, 2:06 PM
    This is different from what you described earlier!! You are not describing well your process here. What is driving your flow? It seems a temperature gradient is driving your flow. A "free-surface" is very different from "free-slip" which is very different from a "moving wall"
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    dendri

    06/15/2021, 7:37 PM
    Sorry about that @slopezcastano So it's a moving lid with a temperature gradient
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