billowy-hairdresser-80384
12/14/2025, 10:18 AMUserStateChanged / AgentStateChanged events for timestamps and ConversationItemAdded for the text, but I’m not confident this is fully reliable.
Could you please advise on the LiveKit-recommended approach for accurately capturing conversation text (both user and agent) with aligned timestamps? Any examples or best practices would be very helpful.tall-airline-16756
12/14/2025, 10:18 AMtall-airline-16756
12/14/2025, 10:18 AMtranscription_node to receive TimedString objects (word/segment start/end times). Use Cartesia or ElevenLabs TTS (these providers support word-level alignment).
• For user speech: consume user_input_transcribed events and/or the STT plugin’s SpeechEvent timing (VAD start/end) and correlate those with the transcript. Use Agent Observability for exact audio-aligned timing when you need full fidelity.
• Don’t rely solely on `UserStateChanged`/`AgentStateChanged` + ConversationItemAdded for precise timestamps — those give turn boundaries and text but not word-level timing and can misalign under streaming/latency.
Quick how-to (minimal steps)
1. Enable TTS-aligned transcript in the session:
session = AgentSession(
# other settings...
use_tts_aligned_transcript=True,
)
1. Implement transcription_node to capture TimedString entries:
from livekit.agents import TimedString
async def transcription_node(self, text, model_settings):
async for chunk in text:
if isinstance(chunk, TimedString):
record_transcript_entry(
text=str(chunk),
start=chunk.start_time,
end=chunk.end_time,
role="agent"
)
yield chunk
1. Capture user transcripts and timing:
• Listen for user_input_transcribed events and persist the transcript with the event timestamp.
• For finer accuracy, extract STT SpeechEvent timing (VAD-based start/end) from your STT plugin and store those alongside the transcript for the user role.
Agent Observability (recommended for validation & exports)
• Enable Agent Observability in the LiveKit Cloud dashboard to get synchronized audio playback, per-turn transcripts with timestamps, traces, and downloadable session data (audio + transcripts + logs). This is the golden source for absolute alignment and debugging.
Persistence and session reporting
• Persist transcripts programmatically (e.g., save session.history.to_dict() at shutdown or use ctx.make_session_report()), so you have a complete session record including turns and timestamps.
Why this improves reliability
• TimedString from TTS-aligned transcripts gives per-word/segment start/end times for agent speech.
• STT plugin events (or VAD) provide the best available timing for user speech.
• Observability provides full session exports to validate alignment and handle edge cases like interruptions.
If you’d like, I can:
• Show a fuller example that collects agent TimedString plus STT SpeechEvent entries into a single transcript timeline, or
• Walk through how to enable Agent Observability in your project and download session exports.
Which would you prefer?
Sources: Text and transcriptions | LiveKit docs | How to capture real-time agent transcriptions during conversations | Agent insights in LiveKit Cloud | LiveKit docs | Observability data hooks | LiveKit docs | Events and error handling | LiveKit docsbillowy-hairdresser-80384
12/14/2025, 10:19 AMtall-airline-16756
12/14/2025, 10:19 AMTimedString objects, and one for capturing user transcripts using STT `SpeechEvent`/`user_input_transcribed` with VAD timing. Each example shows session setup, event handlers that persist timestamped transcript entries, and how to merge them into a single timeline.
Agent-side (TTS-aligned) example — Python
• Requirements: Python SDK ≥1.3.0, TTS provider that supports alignment (Cartesia/ElevenLabs), use_tts_aligned_transcript=True.
# agent_transcript.py
import asyncio
from typing import AsyncIterable
from livekit.agents import AgentSession, Agent, TimedString, ModelSettings
TRANSCRIPT_STORE = [] # replace with DB/persistence
def record_transcript_entry(text, start, end, role, turn_id):
TRANSCRIPT_STORE.append({
"role": role,
"text": text,
"start": start,
"end": end,
"turn_id": turn_id,
})
class MyAgent(Agent):
async def transcription_node(
self,
text: AsyncIterable[str | TimedString],
model_settings: ModelSettings,
):
# turn_id could be derived from context or a counter
turn_id = model_settings.turn_id if hasattr(model_settings, "turn_id") else None
async for chunk in text:
if isinstance(chunk, TimedString):
# TimedString.start_time / end_time are seconds from agent turn start
record_transcript_entry(
text=str(chunk),
start=chunk.start_time,
end=chunk.end_time,
role="agent",
turn_id=turn_id,
)
else:
# fallback: plain text chunk (no timing)
record_transcript_entry(
text=str(chunk),
start=None,
end=None,
role="agent",
turn_id=turn_id,
)
yield chunk # pass-through
async def main():
session = AgentSession(
agent=MyAgent(),
use_tts_aligned_transcript=True,
# stt/tts/llm config...
)
await session.start()
# run until stopped
await session.wait_until_stopped()
# persist complete TRANSCRIPT_STORE to DB/file here
if __name__ == "__main__":
asyncio.run(main())
Notes:
• TimedString.start_time and end_time are relative to the agent turn start; convert to wall-clock by adding the agent-turn-start timestamp if you need absolute times.
• Persist entries as they arrive to avoid data loss.
User-side (STT + VAD timing) example — JavaScript/Node
• Requirements: STT plugin that emits SpeechEvent or user_input_transcribed. This example listens for user_input_transcribed and STT speech events (conceptual names; adapt to your STT plugin event names).
// user_transcript.js
const { AgentSession } = require("livekit-agents"); // adapt import
const TRANSCRIPT_STORE = [];
function recordTranscriptEntry({ text, start, end, role, turnId }) {
TRANSCRIPT_STORE.push({ text, start, end, role, turnId });
}
// Example handlers: adapt event names to your STT plugin
async function handleUserInputTranscribed(event) {
// event.transcript, event.timestamp (wall-clock), event.turn_id
recordTranscriptEntry({
text: event.transcript,
start: event.timestamp, // approximate finalization time
end: event.timestamp, // if no end given, use same or null
role: "user",
turnId: event.turn_id,
});
}
// If your STT plugin exposes low-level SpeechEvent with VAD times:
function handleSpeechEvent(speechEvent) {
// speechEvent.text, speechEvent.start_time, speechEvent.end_time
// start_time/end_time might be offsets from user-turn or absolute
recordTranscriptEntry({
text: speechEvent.text,
start: speechEvent.start_time,
end: speechEvent.end_time,
role: "user",
turnId: speechEvent.turn_id || null,
});
}
async function main() {
const session = new AgentSession({
// config: stt, llm, tts...
});
// wire event listeners - adapt to actual SDK/event API
session.on("user_input_transcribed", handleUserInputTranscribed);
session.on("stt_speech_event", handleSpeechEvent);
await session.start();
await session.waitUntilStopped();
// persist TRANSCRIPT_STORE to DB/file here
}
main().catch(console.error);
Merging agent + user timelines
• Convert all relative times to a common reference (wall-clock). For agent TimedString, add the agent-turn wall-clock start time. For user STT VAD times, use the VAD/turn start wall-clock.
• Once converted, sort combined entries by start to produce an aligned transcript timeline.
• Example pseudo-merge:
# assume entries have absolute 'start' timestamps
combined = sorted(TRANSCRIPT_STORE, key=lambda e: (e["start"] or 0))
Additional practical tips
• Capture and persist turn-start wall-clock timestamps for both agent and user turns (these let you convert relative offsets to absolute times).
• Use Agent Observability to validate alignment and download full session exports (audio + transcripts + traces) for debugging.
• Persist incrementally (stream to DB) to avoid losing data if sessions stop unexpectedly.
If you want, I can:
• Produce a full end-to-end example that converts relative TimedString times to UTC wall-clock times using actual turn-start timestamps.
• Adapt these snippets to your exact SDK/event names and persistence layer (Postgres/S3). Which would you like?billowy-hairdresser-80384
12/14/2025, 10:20 AMtall-airline-16756
12/14/2025, 10:21 AMuser_input_transcribed and STT speech/vad events (plugin-specific event names may vary).
1) Session + agent setup (enable TTS-aligned transcripts)
import time
import asyncio
from typing import AsyncIterable
from livekit.agents import AgentSession, Agent
from livekit.agents import llm # contains TimedString type in SDK
# configure your TTS/STT plugins here (example placeholders)
# from livekit.agents.models import cartesia, stt_provider
session_start_time = None
2) Agent class: capture agent TimedString chunks and user STT events
class TranscriptAgent(Agent):
def __init__(self):
super().__init__()
# stores with absolute wall-clock times (seconds since epoch)
self.entries = [] # each entry: {role, text, start, end, turn_id}
# track current turn start times (wall-clock)
self.current_agent_turn_start = None
self.current_user_turn_start = None
# Called by LiveKit when agent's turn begins (example hook — actual event name may differ)
async def on_agent_turn_started(self, turn_id: str):
self.current_agent_turn_start = time.time()
# transcription_node receives TimedString chunks when use_tts_aligned_transcript=True
async def transcription_node(
self,
text: AsyncIterable[str | llm.TimedString],
model_settings: llm.ModelSettings
) -> AsyncIterable[str | llm.TimedString]:
async for chunk in text:
if isinstance(chunk, llm.TimedString):
# TimedString times are relative to the agent turn start (seconds)
start_abs = (self.current_agent_turn_start or time.time()) + chunk.start_time
end_abs = (self.current_agent_turn_start or time.time()) + chunk.end_time
self.entries.append({
"role": "agent",
"text": chunk.text,
"start": start_abs,
"end": end_abs,
"turn_id": getattr(model_settings, "turn_id", None),
})
else:
# plain text fallback (no timing)
self.entries.append({
"role": "agent",
"text": str(chunk),
"start": self.current_agent_turn_start,
"end": self.current_agent_turn_start,
"turn_id": getattr(model_settings, "turn_id", None),
})
yield chunk
# Example: STT event hook for start/end of user speech (VAD). Adapt names to your STT plugin.
async def on_user_speech_started(self, turn_id: str = None):
self.current_user_turn_start = time.time()
async def on_user_speech_ended(self, turn_id: str = None):
# mark end; keep the timestamp for correlation with final transcript
self.current_user_turn_end = time.time()
# STT final transcript event (user_input_transcribed). SDK may provide event class; adapt accordingly.
async def on_user_input_transcribed(self, event):
# event.transcript: final text
# event.is_final: bool
if getattr(event, "is_final", True):
# If plugin provides precise start/end offsets on event, use them.
# Otherwise, use tracked VAD start/end if available.
start = getattr(event, "start_time", None) or getattr(self, "current_user_turn_start", None)
end = getattr(event, "end_time", None) or getattr(self, "current_user_turn_end", time.time())
# If start is relative to user turn, convert to absolute as needed (example assumes absolute).
self.entries.append({
"role": "user",
"text": getattr(event, "transcript", str(event)),
"start": start,
"end": end,
"turn_id": getattr(event, "turn_id", None),
})
3) Start the session with TTS-aligned transcripts enabled
async def run_session():
global session_start_time
session_start_time = time.time()
agent = TranscriptAgent()
session = AgentSession(
agent=agent,
# Configure your STT/LLM/TTS plugins here:
# stt=stt_provider.STT(...),
# tts=cartesia.TTS(...), # or elevenlabs.TTS(...)
use_tts_aligned_transcript=True,
)
await session.start()
# run until session stops (your app logic)
await session.wait_until_stopped()
# When done, export merged transcript
merged = merge_and_sort_entries(agent.entries)
save_transcript(merged)
4) Merge and sort entries into one chronological timeline
import json
from datetime import datetime
def merge_and_sort_entries(entries):
# remove entries without start by assigning end or session start time
for e in entries:
if e.get("start") is None:
e["start"] = e.get("end", session_start_time)
if e.get("end") is None:
e["end"] = e["start"]
# sort by start time
entries_sorted = sorted(entries, key=lambda x: x["start"])
# Optionally normalize start/end to offsets from session start
for e in entries_sorted:
e["start_offset_s"] = round(e["start"] - session_start_time, 3)
e["end_offset_s"] = round(e["end"] - session_start_time, 3)
# human-readable wall-clock
e["start_ts"] = datetime.fromtimestamp(e["start"]).isoformat()
e["end_ts"] = datetime.fromtimestamp(e["end"]).isoformat()
return entries_sorted
def save_transcript(entries, filename=None):
filename = filename or f"transcript_{int(time.time())}.json"
with open(filename, "w", encoding="utf-8") as f:
json.dump(entries, f, ensure_ascii=False, indent=2)
print("Saved transcript to", filename)
5) Practical notes (implementation tips)
• TimedString times are relative to the agent turn start; capture current_agent_turn_start as wall-clock when the agent turn begins so you can compute absolute times.
• For user STT:
◦ If your STT plugin emits `start_time`/`end_time` on SpeechEvent, prefer those (they may be absolute or relative — convert accordingly).
◦ If it does not, use VAD hooks (speech started / speech ended) to record wall-clock boundaries and attach them to the final user_input_transcribed transcript.
• Persist entries as they arrive (append to DB) to avoid data loss if the session ends unexpectedly.
• Use Agent Observability (dashboard) to validate alignment and download session audio + transcripts if you need to debug mismatches.
6) Next steps I can provide
• A full runnable script tailored to your exact STT plugin event names and persistence (Postgres/S3).
• An example that converts TimedString relative offsets into ISO 8601 timestamps with millisecond precision.
Would you like the full runnable script adapted to your STT plugin and persistence layer?
Sources: Observability data hooks | LiveKit docs | Text and transcriptions | LiveKit docs | Pipeline nodes and hooks | LiveKit docs | ElevenLabs TTS plugin guide | LiveKit Docsbillowy-hairdresser-80384
12/14/2025, 10:24 AMtall-airline-16756
12/14/2025, 10:25 AMTimedString should be imported from <http://livekit.agents.voice.io|livekit.agents.voice.io> when using the SDK’s voice helpers. Below is a concise, focused Python example tailored to your stack (Cartesia/ElevenLabs TTS + STT models). It shows:
• correct imports (including TimedString),
• enabling TTS-aligned transcripts,
• capturing agent TimedString entries with absolute timestamps,
• capturing user STT timing via VAD start/end + user_input_transcribed,
• converting relative times to wall-clock and merging both streams into one chronological transcript,
• lightweight persistence to a JSON file.
Copy and adapt the event names / plugin initializations to match your exact STT provider if its event names differ.
Example (Python)
import time
import asyncio
import json
from datetime import datetime
from typing import AsyncIterable
# SDK imports
from livekit.agents import Agent, AgentSession
from <http://livekit.agents.voice.io|livekit.agents.voice.io> import TimedString # correct import for TimedString
# Import your TTS/STT plugin classes; example placeholders:
# from livekit.agents.models import cartesia, elevenlabs, stt_provider
SESSION_START = None
class TranscriptAgent(Agent):
def __init__(self):
super().__init__()
self.entries = [] # stores dicts: {role, text, start, end, turn_id}
self.current_agent_turn_start = None
self.current_user_turn_start = None
self.current_user_turn_end = None
# Called when agent turn begins (hook name may vary)
async def on_agent_turn_started(self, turn_id: str = None):
self.current_agent_turn_start = time.time()
# transcription_node receives TimedString when use_tts_aligned_transcript=True
async def transcription_node(
self,
text: AsyncIterable[str | TimedString],
model_settings,
) -> AsyncIterable[str | TimedString]:
async for chunk in text:
if isinstance(chunk, TimedString):
# chunk.start_time / end_time are seconds relative to agent turn start
turn_start = self.current_agent_turn_start or time.time()
start_abs = turn_start + chunk.start_time
end_abs = turn_start + chunk.end_time
self.entries.append({
"role": "agent",
"text": chunk.text,
"start": start_abs,
"end": end_abs,
"turn_id": getattr(model_settings, "turn_id", None),
})
else:
# fallback plain text
ts = self.current_agent_turn_start or time.time()
self.entries.append({
"role": "agent",
"text": str(chunk),
"start": ts,
"end": ts,
"turn_id": getattr(model_settings, "turn_id", None),
})
yield chunk
# Example VAD hooks for user speech (names may vary by STT plugin)
async def on_user_speech_started(self, turn_id: str = None):
self.current_user_turn_start = time.time()
async def on_user_speech_ended(self, turn_id: str = None):
self.current_user_turn_end = time.time()
# Final user transcript event (adapt parameter/event class to your STT plugin)
async def on_user_input_transcribed(self, event):
# event.transcript, event.is_final, optionally event.start_time/event.end_time
if not getattr(event, "is_final", True):
return
start = getattr(event, "start_time", None) or self.current_user_turn_start or time.time()
end = getattr(event, "end_time", None) or self.current_user_turn_end or time.time()
self.entries.append({
"role": "user",
"text": getattr(event, "transcript", str(event)),
"start": start,
"end": end,
"turn_id": getattr(event, "turn_id", None),
})
# Merge / normalize helpers
def merge_and_normalize(entries, session_start):
# fill missing times and sort
for e in entries:
if e.get("start") is None:
e["start"] = e.get("end", session_start)
if e.get("end") is None:
e["end"] = e["start"]
sorted_entries = sorted(entries, key=lambda x: x["start"])
for e in sorted_entries:
e["start_offset_s"] = round(e["start"] - session_start, 3)
e["end_offset_s"] = round(e["end"] - session_start, 3)
e["start_ts"] = datetime.fromtimestamp(e["start"]).isoformat()
e["end_ts"] = datetime.fromtimestamp(e["end"]).isoformat()
return sorted_entries
def save_transcript(entries, filename=None):
filename = filename or f"transcript_{int(time.time())}.json"
with open(filename, "w", encoding="utf-8") as f:
json.dump(entries, f, ensure_ascii=False, indent=2)
print("Saved transcript to", filename)
# Runner
async def main():
global SESSION_START
SESSION_START = time.time()
agent = TranscriptAgent()
session = AgentSession(
agent=agent,
# tts=cartesia.TTS(... ) or elevenlabs.TTS(...),
# stt=stt_provider.STT(...),
use_tts_aligned_transcript=True, # critical for TimedString
)
await session.start()
await session.wait_until_stopped()
merged = merge_and_normalize(agent.entries, SESSION_START)
save_transcript(merged)
if __name__ == "__main__":
asyncio.run(main())
Notes and adaptation checklist
• Confirm your actual event hook names for VAD/start/end and final transcript in your STT plugin; replace on_user_speech_started, on_user_speech_ended, on_user_input_transcribed accordingly.
• TimedString import is correct: from livekit.agents.voice.io import TimedString.
• `TimedString.start_time`/`end_time` are relative to the agent turn start — capture the agent turn wall-clock start to compute absolute times.
• If your STT emits per-word timings or SpeechEvent offsets, prefer those over estimated VAD boundaries.
• Persist entries incrementally (DB or streaming file) in production to avoid data loss.
If you want, I can:
• Turn this into a fully runnable script tailored to your exact STT plugin event names and a chosen persistence backend (Postgres/S3/local file). Which plugin and persistence do you use?billowy-hairdresser-80384
12/14/2025, 11:37 AMtall-airline-16756
12/14/2025, 11:37 AM@Agent.on_event("user_input_transcribed")), correct imports (TimedString from <http://livekit.agents.voice.io|livekit.agents.voice.io>), and clear handling to capture agent TTS-aligned timings and user STT timings (VAD + final transcript). It also shows merging into a single chronological transcript.
Adjust your STT/TTS plugin initializations and any plugin-specific event names if needed.
import time
import asyncio
import json
from datetime import datetime
from typing import AsyncIterable
from livekit.agents import Agent, AgentSession
from <http://livekit.agents.voice.io|livekit.agents.voice.io> import TimedString
# Placeholder imports for your TTS/STT providers:
# from livekit.agents.models import cartesia, elevenlabs, stt_provider
SESSION_START = None
class TranscriptAgent(Agent):
def __init__(self):
super().__init__()
self.entries = [] # list of {role, text, start, end, turn_id}
self.current_agent_turn_start = None
self.current_user_turn_start = None
self.current_user_turn_end = None
# Example agent-turn lifecycle hook (replace with actual hook if different)
@Agent.on_event("agent_turn_started")
async def handle_agent_turn_started(self, event):
# record wall-clock time when agent turn begins
self.current_agent_turn_start = time.time()
# optional: store turn_id if provided
self.current_agent_turn_id = getattr(event, "turn_id", None)
# transcription_node receives TimedString chunks when use_tts_aligned_transcript=True
async def transcription_node(
self,
text: AsyncIterable[str | TimedString],
model_settings,
) -> AsyncIterable[str | TimedString]:
async for chunk in text:
if isinstance(chunk, TimedString):
turn_start = self.current_agent_turn_start or time.time()
start_abs = turn_start + chunk.start_time
end_abs = turn_start + chunk.end_time
self.entries.append({
"role": "agent",
"text": chunk.text,
"start": start_abs,
"end": end_abs,
"turn_id": getattr(model_settings, "turn_id", None) or getattr(self, "current_agent_turn_id", None),
})
else:
ts = self.current_agent_turn_start or time.time()
self.entries.append({
"role": "agent",
"text": str(chunk),
"start": ts,
"end": ts,
"turn_id": getattr(model_settings, "turn_id", None) or getattr(self, "current_agent_turn_id", None),
})
yield chunk
# VAD / STT speech start hook (replace with actual STT event name if different)
@Agent.on_event("user_speech_started")
async def on_user_speech_started(self, event):
self.current_user_turn_start = time.time()
self.current_user_turn_id = getattr(event, "turn_id", None)
# VAD / STT speech end hook (replace with actual STT event name if different)
@Agent.on_event("user_speech_ended")
async def on_user_speech_ended(self, event):
self.current_user_turn_end = time.time()
# Final user transcript event — proper decorator and event name
@Agent.on_event("user_input_transcribed")
async def on_user_input_transcribed(self, event):
# event.transcript, event.is_final, optional event.start_time/event.end_time
if not getattr(event, "is_final", True):
return
# Prefer event-provided times if present; otherwise use tracked VAD times
start = getattr(event, "start_time", None) or self.current_user_turn_start or time.time()
end = getattr(event, "end_time", None) or self.current_user_turn_end or time.time()
# If event.start_time/end_time are relative offsets (plugin-specific), convert as needed here
self.entries.append({
"role": "user",
"text": getattr(event, "transcript", str(event)),
"start": start,
"end": end,
"turn_id": getattr(event, "turn_id", None) or getattr(self, "current_user_turn_id", None),
})
# Optional: capture conversation_item_added for a canonical order (no timing)
@Agent.on_event("conversation_item_added")
async def on_conversation_item_added(self, event):
# You can use this to cross-check order or add metadata; not needed for timing
pass
# Helpers to merge/normalize/save
def merge_and_normalize(entries, session_start):
for e in entries:
if e.get("start") is None:
e["start"] = e.get("end", session_start)
if e.get("end") is None:
e["end"] = e["start"]
sorted_entries = sorted(entries, key=lambda x: x["start"])
for e in sorted_entries:
e["start_offset_s"] = round(e["start"] - session_start, 3)
e["end_offset_s"] = round(e["end"] - session_start, 3)
e["start_ts"] = datetime.fromtimestamp(e["start"]).isoformat()
e["end_ts"] = datetime.fromtimestamp(e["end"]).isoformat()
return sorted_entries
def save_transcript(entries, filename=None):
filename = filename or f"transcript_{int(time.time())}.json"
with open(filename, "w", encoding="utf-8") as f:
json.dump(entries, f, ensure_ascii=False, indent=2)
print("Saved transcript to", filename)
# Runner
async def main():
global SESSION_START
SESSION_START = time.time()
agent = TranscriptAgent()
session = AgentSession(
agent=agent,
# tts=cartesia.TTS(... ) or elevenlabs.TTS(...),
# stt=stt_provider.STT(...),
use_tts_aligned_transcript=True,
)
await session.start()
await session.wait_until_stopped()
merged = merge_and_normalize(agent.entries, SESSION_START)
save_transcript(merged)
if __name__ == "__main__":
asyncio.run(main())
Notes
• TimedString import is correct: from livekit.agents.voice.io import TimedString.
• Replace event names (agent_turn_started, user_speech_started, user_speech_ended) with the exact event names your STT plugin emits if they differ.
• If your STT emits `start_time`/`end_time` on user_input_transcribed as relative offsets, convert them to wall-clock by adding the user-turn start timestamp.
• Persist entries incrementally in production (DB) rather than only at session end.
Would you like this adapted into a full runnable script with your exact plugin initializations and a chosen persistence backend (e.g., Postgres or S3)?billowy-hairdresser-80384
12/14/2025, 11:42 AMtall-airline-16756
12/14/2025, 11:42 AMTimedString in transcription_node (Cartesia/ElevenLabs with use_tts_aligned_transcript=True) and capture user timing from STT events (user_input_transcribed plus VAD start/end). This will give you precise agent word timings and reliable user turn boundaries to merge into one timeline.
Key changes I recommend
• Keep use_tts_aligned_transcript=True (you already set this).
• Remove relying only on conversation_item_added + pending start timestamps for precise timing.
• Capture agent timings inside transcription_node using TimedString (import from <http://livekit.agents.voice.io|livekit.agents.voice.io>).
• Capture user start/end via VAD events (your user_state_changed can remain for high-level UX) and use @Agent.on_event("user_input_transcribed") to get final transcript + any provided start/end offsets from the STT plugin.
• Convert agent relative times to absolute by recording agent-turn wall-clock start when the agent turn begins.
• Persist entries incrementally (call your transcription service log function as each entry arrives) instead of waiting until conversation_item_added.
Patch to integrate into your SessionManager (drop-in style)
• Replace the current conversation_item_added handler with the following additions inside create_session after session creation. These use the same session & manager variables you already have.
Add imports at top:
from <http://livekit.agents.voice.io|livekit.agents.voice.io> import TimedString
Agent handlers to add (place inside create_session where you attach other session events):
# record wall-clock start of agent turn
@session.on("agent_turn_started")
def _on_agent_turn_started(event):
# record epoch seconds when agent turn begins
manager._pending_assistant_start = manager._get_elapsed_seconds()
# store absolute wall-clock (use datetime.now()) if you want epoch timestamps
manager._assistant_turn_wallclock = datetime.datetime.now().timestamp()
# optional: store turn id
manager._assistant_turn_id = getattr(event, "turn_id", None)
# transcription_node receives TimedString chunks for agent TTS-aligned output
@session.on("agent_transcription_node")
async def _transcription_node_handler(text, model_settings):
# text is an async iterable yielding str or TimedString
async for chunk in text:
if isinstance(chunk, TimedString):
# TimedString.start_time / end_time are relative to agent turn start
turn_start = getattr(manager, "_assistant_turn_wallclock", datetime.datetime.now().timestamp())
start_abs = turn_start + chunk.start_time
end_abs = turn_start + chunk.end_time
entry = {
"role": "assistant",
"text": chunk.text,
"start": start_abs,
"end": end_abs,
"turn_id": getattr(model_settings, "turn_id", getattr(manager, "_assistant_turn_id", None)),
}
# persist incrementally
manager._transcription_service.log_conversation_item(entry["role"], entry["text"], entry["start"], entry["end"], entry["turn_id"])
else:
# fallback plain text chunk
ts = getattr(manager, "_assistant_turn_wallclock", datetime.datetime.now().timestamp())
entry = {"role":"assistant","text":str(chunk),"start":ts,"end":ts,"turn_id": getattr(model_settings,"turn_id", None)}
manager._transcription_service.log_conversation_item(entry["role"], entry["text"], entry["start"], entry["end"], entry["turn_id"])
yield chunk
Notes:
• The event name agent_transcription_node above is a conceptual binding for transcription_node. In the SDK you implement transcription_node on your Agent subclass; if you are wiring via session event handlers, ensure you attach the actual callable the SDK expects. If you keep your Agent separate, implement transcription_node there and call manager._transcription_service from it.
User STT handlers to add:
# VAD-based start/end (you already have user_state_changed; keep using it to set wallclock)
@session.on("user_state_changed")
def _on_user_state_changed(event):
if event.new_state == "speaking":
manager._pending_user_start = manager._get_elapsed_seconds()
manager._user_turn_wallclock = datetime.datetime.now().timestamp()
manager._user_turn_id = getattr(event, "turn_id", None)
elif event.new_state == "listening":
manager._user_turn_end = manager._get_elapsed_seconds()
manager._user_turn_end_wallclock = datetime.datetime.now().timestamp()
# final user transcript (proper event decorator)
@session.on("user_input_transcribed")
async def _on_user_input_transcribed(event):
# prefer event-provided times if present (plugin-specific). Otherwise use VAD wallclock.
# event.start_time / event.end_time may be present and may be absolute or relative; convert if needed.
start = getattr(event, "start_time", None) or getattr(manager, "_user_turn_wallclock", datetime.datetime.now().timestamp())
end = getattr(event, "end_time", None) or getattr(manager, "_user_turn_end_wallclock", datetime.datetime.now().timestamp())
entry = {
"role": "user",
"text": getattr(event, "transcript", str(event)),
"start": start,
"end": end,
"turn_id": getattr(event, "turn_id", getattr(manager, "_user_turn_id", None)),
}
manager._transcription_service.log_conversation_item(entry["role"], entry["text"], entry["start"], entry["end"], entry["turn_id"])
How to merge timelines (recommended)
• Store each entry with absolute epoch seconds.
• To produce a single chronological view: sort entries by start.
• Optionally add offsets relative to session start: offset = entry["start"] - session_start_epoch.
• Keep agent TimedString words as separate entries (gives fine-grained timeline). If you prefer sentence-level aggregation, group contiguous TimedString entries by turn_id before persisting.
Small code snippet to merge at export:
def merge_and_export(entries, session_start_epoch):
for e in entries:
if e.get("start") is None:
e["start"] = e.get("end", session_start_epoch)
if e.get("end") is None:
e["end"] = e["start"]
entries_sorted = sorted(entries, key=lambda x: x["start"])
for e in entries_sorted:
e["start_offset_s"] = round(e["start"] - session_start_epoch, 3)
e["end_offset_s"] = round(e["end"] - session_start_epoch, 3)
e["start_ts"] = datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(e["start"]).isoformat()
e["end_ts"] = datetime.datetime.fromtimestamp(e["end"]).isoformat()
return entries_sorted
Why this is better than your current approach
• ConversationItemAdded gives content but not precise word-level timing; pairing it with pending start flags is fragile under latency/race conditions.
• TimedString gives accurate agent timing per word/segment (Cartesia/ElevenLabs).
• STT user_input_transcribed combined with VAD start/end gives reliable user turn boundaries; if your STT emits speech offsets, use them.
• Persisting incrementally avoids losing entries if session stops unexpectedly.
Quick checklist to apply now
• Ensure you keep use_tts_aligned_transcript=True.
• Import TimedString from <http://livekit.agents.voice.io|livekit.agents.voice.io>.
• Implement transcription_node on your Agent (or wire the correct transcription handler) to capture TimedString.
• Keep user_state_changed VAD hooks but use user_input_transcribed to record final text + start/end.
• Replace conversation_item_added-based logging with immediate calls to your transcription service from the handlers above.
• Validate alignment using Agent Observability and session exports if you see mismatches.
If you want, I can:
• Produce a direct, minimal patch of your session_manager.py with these handlers inserted and with the log_conversation_item signature matched to your transcription service (I’ll need the transcription service method signature).
• Or create a short unit-testable script that simulates TimedString and user events so you can verify merging logic locally.
Which would you prefer?billowy-hairdresser-80384
12/15/2025, 5:48 AMtall-airline-16756
12/15/2025, 5:49 AMuse_tts_aligned_transcript=True.
1. Ensure you’re getting agent-word timing via transcription_node
• Implement transcription_node on your Agent subclass (or the SDK-equivalent hook). It receives an async iterable that yields TimedString for agent speech when alignment is available.
• In that node, convert `TimedString.start_time`/`end_time` (relative to agent-turn start) to absolute wall-clock by adding the agent-turn start timestamp you record when the agent turn begins.
1. Capture agent-turn start reliably
• Record agent-turn wall-clock when the agent turn starts (use the agent turn start event/hook, not conversation_item_added).
• If you see the warning "No agent turn wallclock time", you are not capturing this; set it using the agent-turn-start handler.
1. Don’t expect TimedString for user STT
• User transcripts come as text events (user_input_transcribed) or plain chunks; they won’t be TimedString. Use VAD start/end (user_state_changed or STT SpeechEvent offsets if provided) to get user timing.
1. Avoid RealtimeModel or unsupported pipeline
• If you use a realtime/streaming LLM model that bypasses the TTS pipeline, TimedString won’t be produced. Use the standard llm + tts pipeline for aligned transcripts.
Quick code checklist (minimal)
• Session:
session = AgentSession(..., tts=cartesia.TTS(...), use_tts_aligned_transcript=True)
• Agent turn start:
on agent_turn_started -> manager.agent_turn_wallclock = time.time()
• transcription_node:
async for chunk in text: if isinstance(chunk, TimedString): start_abs = manager.agent_turn_wallclock + chunk.start_time end_abs = manager.agent_turn_wallclock + chunk.end_time persist(entry...) else: log warning fallback plain chunk
• user_input_transcribed:
use event.start_time/end_time if present else use VAD wallclock start/end
If you’d like, I can:
• Patch your session_manager.py with the exact handlers (using your manager methods and transcription service signature) to ensure agent-turn wallclock is captured and TimedString entries are logged immediately. Sources: Text and transcriptions | LiveKit docs | Pipeline nodes and hooks | LiveKit docsbillowy-hairdresser-80384
12/15/2025, 5:56 AMtall-airline-16756
12/15/2025, 5:56 AMTimedString output. It can give sentence‑level alignment, but per‑word timestamps (TimedString) require the ElevenLabs TTS plugin (or Cartesia) with use_tts_aligned_transcript=True.
What to do next
• If you need word-level timestamps: switch from LiveKit Inference to the ElevenLabs TTS plugin and set use_tts_aligned_transcript=True in your AgentSession.
• If sentence-level alignment is enough: you can keep using LiveKit Inference with use_tts_aligned_transcript=True and expect coarser (sentence) timing.
• After switching, implement transcription_node (or the agent transcription handler) to consume TimedString and convert relative times to wall‑clock by recording the agent‑turn start.
If you want, I can:
• Provide the exact AgentSession + ElevenLabs plugin code snippet to enable TimedString and show how to convert to absolute timestamps. Which would you prefer? Sources: Text and transcriptions | LiveKit docs | ElevenLabs TTS plugin guide | LiveKit Docsbillowy-hairdresser-80384
12/15/2025, 5:57 AMtall-airline-16756
12/15/2025, 5:57 AMTimedString data isn’t available (or when your TTS provider only gives sentence‑level alignment). Brief plan and why it works, plus next steps you can pick:
Why use wall clock
• `TimedString.start_time`/`end_time` are relative to the agent turn start; converting them to absolute times requires the agent-turn wall‑clock start.
• User STT typically provides only final transcripts (or VAD start/end). Recording wall‑clock VAD start/end gives reliable absolute timestamps for user turns.
• Storing absolute epoch times for both sides makes merging/sorting deterministic and robust across latency/race conditions.
How to do it (high level)
1. On agent turn start: record wall‑clock epoch (e.g., time.time()) as agent_turn_wallclock.
2. In `transcription_node`: for each TimedString, compute absolute times:
start_abs = agent_turn_wallclock + chunk.start_time end_abs = agent_turn_wallclock + chunk.end_time persist immediately.
1. For user speech:
◦ On VAD start: record user_turn_wallclock_start = time.time().
◦ On VAD end or `user_input_transcribed`: get event.start_time/end_time if present; otherwise use recorded VAD wall‑clock start/end as absolute times. Persist immediately.
1. Merge: store all entries with absolute epoch seconds, then sort by start to produce a single timeline. Optionally compute offsets = start - session_start for UI.
Do you want a short runnable Python snippet that:
• records agent turn wall‑clock,
• converts TimedString to absolute times,
• records VAD start/end for user,
• persists and merges entries?
If yes, I’ll produce the exact code matching your SessionManager style and transcription_service logging API.billowy-hairdresser-80384
12/15/2025, 6:14 AMpython
# In SessionManager.__init__
self._session_start_time *=* datetime.datetime.now()
### Elapsed Time Helper
python
*def* _get_elapsed_seconds(_self_) -> float:
"""Helper for consistent timing across events."""
if self._session_start_time:
return (datetime.datetime.now() - self.__session_start_time_).total_seconds()
return 0.0
### Timestamp Format Conversion
python
# In TranscriptionManager.log_conversation_item
timestamp *=* f*"{int(elapsed_seconds) // 3600:02d}:{(int(elapsed_seconds) % 3600) // 60:02d}:{int(elapsed_seconds) % 60:02d}.{int((elapsed_seconds % 1) * 1000):03d}"*
## Event Logic Flow
### 1. User State Changes (user_state_changed)
python
@session.on(*"user_state_changed"*)
*def* on_user_state_changed(_event_):
*if* event.new_state *==* *"speaking"*:
# RECORD USER START TIME
manager._pending_user_start *=* manager._get_elapsed_seconds()
alog_info_bg(f*"*:bust_in_silhouette: *User speaking START at {manager._pending_user_start:.3f}s"*)
### 2. Agent State Changes (agent_state_changed)
python
@session.on(*"agent_state_changed"*)
*def* on_agent_state_changed(_event_):
*if* event.new_state *==* *"speaking"*:
# RECORD ASSISTANT START TIME
manager._pending_assistant_start *=* manager._get_elapsed_seconds()
alog_info_bg(f*"*:robot_face: *Assistant speaking START at {manager._pending_assistant_start:.3f}s"*)
### 3. Conversation Item Added (conversation_item_added)
python
@session.on(*"conversation_item_added"*)
*def* on_conversation_item_added(_event_):
role *=* event.item.role # "user" or "assistant"
content *=* event.item.text_content
# MATCH text with PREVIOUS start time
*if* role *==* *"user"*:
start_time *=* manager._pending_user_start
*if* manager._pending_user_start *is* *not* *None*:
manager._pending_user_start *=* *None* # clear only if exists
*else*: # assistant
start_time *=* manager._pending_assistant_start
*if* manager._pending_assistant_start *is* *not* *None*:
manager._pending_assistant_start *=* *None* # clear only if exists
# Log with start time
manager._transcription_service.log_conversation_item(role, content, start_time)
## Timestamp Fallback Logic
### Primary Method (Preferred)
- Uses start_time parameter from state change events
- Represents elapsed seconds from session start
- Captures actual speaking start time
### Fallback Method
python
# In TranscriptionManager.log_conversation_item
*if* start_time *is* *not* *None*:
# Use provided start time (from speaking event)
elapsed_seconds *=* start_time
*elif* self._session_start_time:
# Calculate current elapsed time (FALLBACK)
elapsed *=* datetime.datetime.now() *-* self._session_start_time
elapsed_seconds *=* elapsed.total_seconds()
alog_warning_bg(f*"*:warning: *No start_time provided for {role} message, using completion time as fallback"*)
*else*:
elapsed_seconds *=* 0.0
alog_warning_bg(f*"*:warning: *No start_time or session_start_time available for {role} message"*)
## Event Sequencing
1. User starts speaking → user_state_changed("speaking") → Record _pending_user_start
2. User finishes speaking → user_state_changed("listening")
3. Message added to chat → conversation_item_added → Log with _pending_user_start → Clear _pending_user_start
1. Agent starts speaking → agent_state_changed("speaking") → Record _pending_assistant_start
2. Agent message added to chat → conversation_item_added → Log with _pending_assistant_start → Clear _pending_assistant_start
## Key Points
- ***State change events*** capture speaking start times
- ***Conversation item events*** match messages with recorded start times
- ***Pending timestamps*** are cleared after use to prevent reuse
- ***Fallback calculation*** used when start_time not available
- ***Elapsed time*** calculated from session start time
check the way that I am creating transcript let me know if it is not recommended by livekittall-airline-16756
12/15/2025, 6:15 AMuse_tts_aligned_transcript=True.
◦ Use the ElevenLabs or Cartesia plugin (not LiveKit Inference) for per-word timings.
◦ In your agent’s transcription_node, convert each TimedString:
start_abs = agent_turn_wallclock + chunk.start_time end_abs = agent_turn_wallclock + chunk.end_time
• Persist each TimedString entry immediately via your transcription service.
1. Use user_input_transcribed (and STT SpeechEvent offsets) for user timing
◦ Prefer event.start_time/end_time from the STT plugin if present (convert to wall‑clock).
◦ Otherwise use VAD start/end wall‑clock you recorded.
◦ Persist user transcript on user_input_transcribed rather than waiting for conversation_item_added.
1. Stop relying exclusively on conversation_item_added for timing
◦ Keep conversation_item_added for canonical chat history and cross-checking, but do your time‑sensitive persistence in transcription_node and user_input_transcribed handlers.
1. Normalize to absolute epoch seconds and merge
◦ Store entries with absolute epoch seconds.
◦ At export, sort by start and compute offsets relative to session start for display.
◦ Keep TimedString words as separate entries or aggregate by turn_id depending on UI needs.
1. Improve fallbacks and logging
◦ If start_time missing, log a clear diagnostic and include which event(s) were received.
◦ Prefer not to use completion time as the primary timestamp unless you mark it explicitly as an estimate.
Small changes you can apply now (drop‑in)
• When handling agent state changed ("speaking"), set:
manager._assistant_turn_wallclock = datetime.datetime.now().timestamp()
• In transcription_node, for each TimedString chunk:
start_abs = manager._assistant_turn_wallclock + chunk.start_time persist via manager._transcription_service.log_conversation_item(role, text, start_abs, end_abs, turn_id)
• When receiving user_input_transcribed:
start = getattr(event, "start_time", None) or manager._user_turn_wallclock end = getattr(event, "end_time", None) or manager._user_turn_end_wallclock persist immediately.
When your current approach is acceptable
• If you only need coarse per‑turn timestamps (not word-level) and low latency races are rare, your current method works with smaller risk.
• For production, high‑fidelity synchronization, egress, or UI lip‑sync, adopt the changes above.
Would you like me to:
• Patch your session_manager.py with the exact handler code using your transcription_service.log_conversation_item signature, or
• Produce a minimal unit-testable example that simulates TimedString + STT events so you can validate merging logic locally?
Which do you prefer?billowy-hairdresser-80384
12/15/2025, 6:17 AMtall-airline-16756
12/15/2025, 6:18 AMTimedString from the TTS pipeline is not available. Given that constraint, the recommended approach is to rely on wall‑clock timestamps + turn-level timing (VAD + final STT events) and persist entries as they arrive. Below is a concise, drop‑in solution tailored to your SessionManager: it records wall‑clock times for user/agent turn starts, uses user_input_transcribed for final user transcripts, logs agent output at conversation commit but uses the agent turn wall‑clock for timing, and produces a merged chronological transcript.
Key rules applied
• LiveKit Inference: no per-word TimedString; only sentence-level alignment at best.
• Use wall‑clock epoch seconds (time.time()) for all start/end times.
• Record turn wall‑clock on "speaking" state events.
• Persist user transcripts on user_input_transcribed using event offsets if present; otherwise use VAD start/end wall clock.
• Persist agent transcripts when conversation_item_added arrives, using recorded agent turn wall clock for timestamping.
• Persist incrementally to avoid data loss.
Drop‑in code snippets to insert into your SessionManager.create_session (adapt names if needed):
1) Imports (top of file)
import time
from datetime import datetime
2) Add these manager fields in init (you already have similar ones):
self._session_start_time = datetime.now()
self._user_turn_wallclock = None
self._user_turn_end_wallclock = None
self._agent_turn_wallclock = None
self._entries = [] # local buffer; your transcription service used for persistence
3) user_state_changed handler (record VAD start/end)
@session.on("user_state_changed")
def on_user_state_changed(event):
if event.new_state == "speaking":
manager._user_turn_wallclock = time.time()
manager._user_turn_id = getattr(event, "turn_id", None)
alog_info_bg(f"👤 User speaking START at {manager._user_turn_wallclock:.3f}")
elif event.new_state == "listening":
manager._user_turn_end_wallclock = time.time()
alog_info_bg(f"👤 User speaking END at {manager._user_turn_end_wallclock:.3f}")
4) user_input_transcribed handler (persist user transcript)
@session.on("user_input_transcribed")
async def on_user_input_transcribed(event):
# prefer plugin-provided offsets if available (might be absolute or relative)
start = getattr(event, "start_time", None) or manager._user_turn_wallclock or time.time()
end = getattr(event, "end_time", None) or manager._user_turn_end_wallclock or time.time()
entry = {
"role": "user",
"text": getattr(event, "transcript", str(event)),
"start": start,
"end": end,
"turn_id": getattr(event, "turn_id", getattr(manager, "_user_turn_id", None)),
}
# Persist immediately (use your transcription service)
manager._transcription_service.log_conversation_item(entry["role"], entry["text"], entry["start"])
# Optionally keep local copy
manager._entries.append(entry)
alog_info(f"📝 [{manager._get_elapsed_seconds():.3f}s] [{entry['start']:.3f}-{entry['end']:.3f}] User: {entry['text']}")
5) agent_state_changed handler (record agent turn start)
@session.on("agent_state_changed")
def on_agent_state_changed(event):
if event.new_state == "speaking":
manager._agent_turn_wallclock = time.time()
manager._agent_turn_id = getattr(event, "turn_id", None)
alog_info_bg(f"🤖 Assistant speaking START at {manager._agent_turn_wallclock:.3f}")
6) conversation_item_added handler (persist assistant text using agent wallclock)
@session.on("conversation_item_added")
def on_conversation_item_added(event):
role = event.item.role # "user" or "assistant"
content = event.item.text_content
if role == "assistant":
# Use agent_turn_wallclock recorded earlier
start = getattr(manager, "_agent_turn_wallclock", None) or time.time()
# If you want sentence-level end time, you can set end = start + estimated_duration or same as start
end = start # keep simple; STT plugin or inference may provide more info
turn_id = getattr(event.item, "turn_id", getattr(manager, "_agent_turn_id", None))
entry = {"role": "assistant", "text": content, "start": start, "end": end, "turn_id": turn_id}
manager._transcription_service.log_conversation_item(entry["role"], entry["text"], entry["start"])
manager._entries.append(entry)
alog_info(f"📝 [{manager._get_elapsed_seconds():.3f}s] [{start:.3f}-{end:.3f}] Agent: {content}")
# clear agent pending if you were using it
manager._agent_turn_wallclock = None
manager._agent_turn_id = None
elif role == "user":
# If you still get conversation_item_added for user, prefer user_input_transcribed persisted earlier.
# But if not persisted, fallback to pending user wallclock.
start = getattr(manager, "_user_turn_wallclock", None) or time.time()
end = getattr(manager, "_user_turn_end_wallclock", start)
entry = {"role": "user", "text": content, "start": start, "end": end, "turn_id": getattr(event.item, "turn_id", getattr(manager, "_user_turn_id", None))}
# Avoid double-logging if user_input_transcribed already logged. You can check for duplicates.
manager._transcription_service.log_conversation_item(entry["role"], entry["text"], entry["start"])
manager._entries.append(entry)
alog_info(f"📝 [{manager._get_elapsed_seconds():.3f}s] [{start:.3f}-{end:.3f}] Customer: {content}")
manager._user_turn_wallclock = None
manager._user_turn_end_wallclock = None
manager._user_turn_id = None
7) Merge/export helper (use at cleanup)
def merge_and_normalize(entries, session_start_time):
# entries: list of dicts with start/end epoch seconds
for e in entries:
if e.get("start") is None:
e["start"] = e.get("end", session_start_time.timestamp())
if e.get("end") is None:
e["end"] = e["start"]
entries_sorted = sorted(entries, key=lambda x: x["start"])
# convert to elapsed display if needed
session_epoch = session_start_time.timestamp()
for e in entries_sorted:
e["start_offset_s"] = round(e["start"] - session_epoch, 3)
e["end_offset_s"] = round(e["end"] - session_epoch, 3)
e["start_ts"] = datetime.fromtimestamp(e["start"]).isoformat()
e["end_ts"] = datetime.fromtimestamp(e["end"]).isoformat()
return entries_sorted
Best‑practice notes
• This approach gives reliable per‑turn timing and deterministic merging, suitable for LiveKit Inference (no TimedString).
• If your STT plugin provides precise `start_time`/`end_time` with the user_input_transcribed event, prefer those over VAD wall-clock.
• Persist per event to your transcription service immediately to avoid loss; use conversation_item_added only as fallback or canonical ordering.
• Consider tagging persisted entries with a source field (e.g., "vad", "stt_event", "inference") so you can debug mismatches later.
• Log clear warnings when you fall back to estimates so you can track how often that happens.
If you want, I can:
• Give a ready patch of your session_manager.py with these handlers integrated, matching your transcription_service.log_conversation_item signature.
• Or produce a small runnable test harness that simulates VAD and user_input_transcribed events so you can verify merging locally.
Which would you like?