# htmx-general
- b
busy-action-85810
11/02/2022, 5:51 PMYeah, either Rails or my favorite alternative with the Ruby space is Hanami: https://hanamirb.org. ...but yeah, makes working with HTMX easy. 🙂 - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:51 PMSo, I didn't see any such guidelines myself unfortunately - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:51 PMBut - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:51 PMIf having a complete fallback would be a requirement - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:51 PMI would go the "progressive enchantment" route - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:51 PMmeaning - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:52 PMI would try to build the app without htmx (or even any JS) at all - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:52 PMand then introduce them as needed - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:53 PMthis way you can be absolutely sure that your app works without JS - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:54 PMGranted, I'm not sure how well this approach would hold in teams - b
busy-action-85810
11/02/2022, 5:54 PMThanks. Yeah, that's what I'm trying to explore in terms of team collaboration, testing, design, UI, etc. - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:55 PMOr on ongoring projects with many features, since constantly disabling JS and checking that everything still works may not be possible .You would have to basically test (including regress) every feature twice - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:56 PMThen again, if you have such requirement, you would have to do such thing anyway, regardless of you using htmx - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:57 PMSo yeaaaaahhh - r
ripe-action-67367
11/02/2022, 5:57 PM"It depends" (c) - b
busy-action-85810
11/02/2022, 5:57 PMTrue. That wouldn't necessarily be hard. The non-JS tests would run quite fast. It's the JS-enabled tests that are the slowest. Yep, need to play with this more. Not sure on the answer either. - m
miniature-lizard-24702
11/02/2022, 7:18 PMI noticed we don't have a stimulus-htmx channel. Which surprises me - m
miniature-lizard-24702
11/02/2022, 7:19 PMor does that go under hotwire-htmx? - g
gorgeous-airport-54386
11/02/2022, 7:19 PMstimulus is on the hotwire website so i'd say yes - m
miniature-lizard-24702
11/02/2022, 7:21 PMI started a new project today writing a focalboard clone in htmx/go and alpine (possibly stimulus) - m
miniature-lizard-24702
11/02/2022, 7:21 PMgonna have some fun with this - g
gorgeous-airport-54386
11/02/2022, 7:25 PMI don't get the case for stimulus honestly - g
gorgeous-airport-54386
11/02/2022, 7:25 PMWhat makes it better than vanilla js + data attributes? - m
miniature-lizard-24702
11/02/2022, 7:26 PMit's got some convenience things - m
miniature-lizard-24702
11/02/2022, 7:27 PMand it monitors the dom - g
gorgeous-airport-54386
11/02/2022, 7:27 PMah yeah - m
miniature-lizard-24702
11/02/2022, 7:27 PMI like that it stores state in the dom - m
miniature-lizard-24702
11/02/2022, 7:27 PMalpine doesnt - g
gorgeous-airport-54386
11/02/2022, 7:27 PMwhy can't we attach disconnect listeners to elements in 2022 without a whole observer - m
miniature-lizard-24702
11/02/2022, 7:28 PMI kinda know what that means but dont... I barely know much js