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  • l
    https://unpoly.com/ was an alternative posted on HN
  • l
    I'm unsure about the scope of unpoly vs htmx, I like htmx since it seems to have a tight scope and is separating concerns.
  • m
    Yep, unpoly has been around forever, but it's more of a client-side/server-side integration mechanism, rather than focusing on html-as-html
  • l
    I look for projects that have a small public interface relative to the functionality they encapsulate (a "library"). Having a large public interface relative to functionality is a sign that a project is more or less a grab-bag of conventions (a "framework"). I prefer libraries over frameworks.
  • m
    yep!
  • b
    You handled the HN post really well @mysterious-toddler-20573, you must be a pro by now!
  • e
    Hi to all
  • m
    🙂 I've been in a few HN comment battles at this point 😉
  • g
    Howdy @User -- what brings you here?
  • g
    @lively-beach-14291 - I remember looking at unpoly on my first round of research. Now I forget why I didn't dig into it deeper. I think it seemed more complex than HTMX. It does sport some very cool features, like built-in/idiomatic support for: animations, modals/layers with URLs, preloading pages, and triggering links on mousedown.
  • g
    Is there any shame in looking at unpoly (and others) for inspiration?
  • m
    unpoly is a great framework, and henning koch is a very nice guy, he has been supportive of htmx https://twitter.com/triskweline
  • m
    The difference between unpoly and htmx is that it is a framework, where htmx is a library. You are going to get more out of the box with unpoly, but it's going to be more magical as well. They are different approaches but both are valid and useful in the right context.
  • g
    Great comparison. Thanks @mysterious-toddler-20573. Unpoly is also ~4x the size of HTMX. Still small compared to the big frameworks, but every byte counts.
  • g
    How do you feel about adding more primitives to HTMX? How much would be too much in your opinion?
  • m
    I want to lean on extensions first and be very conservative
  • m
    we are closing in on 10k, which is about the limit I'd like to set
  • g
    Yeah, that makes sense. I think I need to dig in to the extensions API, to see what I can do with that 🙂
  • m
    I'd also like to increase the flexibility of htmx with respect to hooks, so that extensions can do more and more. In doing so, hyperscript should get more and more access to the runtime for more advanced stuff, while preserving the simplicity of htmx
  • g
    Yes. Exciting stuff!
  • f
    I'm having a bit of a tough time with SSE connections that are themselves sitting inside another SSE swapped element ... I'm going to try to dig in and find out what's going on.
  • g
    Cool. Thanks 🙂 any way you could post some code?
  • m
    @User is your guy!
  • f
    Yup.
  • f
    Was busy most of the afternoon.
  • m
    I'm a simple 
    hx-trigger="every 2s"
    caveman
  • m
    your "streaming" "technologies" serve only to confuse and frighten me
  • f
    lol
  • f
    I'm probably just doing something really dumb.
  • f
    Feeling my way through.
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