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  • m
    Ah damn – that looks great. Thanks!
  • m
    Wondering what other great tools I might not know about – fairly new to accepting JavaScript into my workflow
  • f
    are you running this server-side or client-side?
  • m
    Server-side
  • m
    It's mainly so my girlfriend can use a component-based approach before switching to React / HTMX
  • m
    Her first month with anything "code" – and web dev has definitely become a multi-layer kinda process
  • f
  • f
    this one uses jsx, if you're thinking of switching to react at some point
  • m
    So Deno compiles TypeScript to JavaScript dynamically and Oak helps to create an Electron / Desktop app?
  • f
    Oak creates a webserver, not a desktop app.
  • m
    Ah alright – cheers! Really new to NPM generally myself. 😛
  • m
    How can I do Android & iOS development as easily as Alpine/HTMX on the web? I know React Native and Expo, but those are React… anything like Alpine/HTMX?
  • m
  • e
    Maybe that's a hot take around here but I feel like true native apps are usually the way to go on mobile. Hypertext is native to the web but not mobile apps. Depends on the use case of cause (if you just wanna bring your ecommerce to mobile with native widgets it might be) but hypertext is great in the web because it's fundamentally native to it, mobile apps not so much
  • e
    For the server communication you can use your favorite flavor of CRUD API (aka what's commonly referred to as "REST" by people who don't know better) if you basically want to expose a prettier editor of some database tables or something like gRPC if you have more atomic transactional client-server interactions.
  • m
    hyperview is a mobile-native hypermedia, so it provides mobile-specific native functionality. On the other hand, it's still a hypermedia, with a uniform interface, which is necessarily more limited than a full native mobile client. as always, it depends what you want to prioritize.
  • e
    I agree with that on a technical level! And as said, if you wanna replicate a web site as an app something like Hyperview could work. But anecdotally the pains of not being truly native (which also applies to the Cordovas, Flutters, React Natives etc. out there) grow with project time and the number of stakeholders (i.e. is it just you building and using the app or you + 2 other devs + a dozen people at the contracting company + however many users).
  • e
    I had it happen in multiple projects that we had a requirement that the framework couldn't do. So we wanted to build an extension, but realized that we couldn't even build the binaries anymore because it wasn't compatible with the current Xcode or Android SDK.
  • e
    Stuff like that just doesn't happen with a maintained native app because you're actually rebuilding the damn thing all the time.
  • p
    I get what you're saying, but personally, i've had a lot of wins with cordova and capacitor tbh. The time savings of just using capacitor and writing occasional native extensions is worth it's weight in gold for most business applications (that are not games or the like). I'm just dropping this here, so others who want to try out capacitor/ionic are not too discouraged.
  • s
    Is it possible to use different `hx-target`s depending on the response status code?
  • g
    I haven't used it, but you can use the HX-Retarget header on a response to change elements. https://htmx.org/reference/#response_headers
  • m
    This looks great, thank you. Only concerns I have are that it still requires RN/Expo, and it’s not as popular as it should be
  • m
    Also, I don’t see, yet, how to do automated testing with HyperView
  • m
    Just found https://jasonette.com/ too
  • m
    not looking good folks
  • t
    wtf happened july 2018?
  • m
    they switched their URL set
  • m
    most of the big jumps are stuff like that (changing user agent, etc)
  • s
    Thanks, I think this could work. If a response is a 
    400
    I want to return the form including the validation errors, hence I know the 
    id
    of the form to replace anyway (because it is the form itself). If it is a 
    20x
    , just return the result (HTML or just the status code) which will be targeted client side as expected.
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