Ok, makes sense. Another reason to make HTMX part of the HTML standard.

are there any in depth recent htmx tutorials ? this is how I'm usually learning...

There's quite a few videos on youtube about using it with django. Depends on your stack, I suppose.

🐍 instant adoption

I'm honestly amazed the RoR community hasn't 100% gone all in on hyperscript. It's like a dream language for them.

python community has been begging for something like hyperscript, but with more pythonic syntax, for decades.

Its basically what node did for JS but the other way around..

I'm struggling with sending data back to a websocket. For testing purposes I have something like:

<div hx-ext="ws" ws-connect="/someurl">
  <div id="content-to-be-replaced"></div>
  <form ws-send>
    <input name="test">
  </form>
</div>

The problem is that the form is submitted as a standard form to the current page, instead of being sent to the websocket. What am I doing wrong? Afterwards I'd like to have buttons to trigger actions instead of a text input (for example a "dismiss" button)

🙂 w3c hostile takeover when

(or I guess the working group thing?)

they have hotwire/stimulus and most people in that community have never heard of htmx, let alone hyperscript. Which is fine, i'm enjoying that htmx/hyperscript is making headway in other more underserved places. I like lots of different languages and so it's neat to see the haskell rascals, lispers, etc. all getting back into web development.

Hi all, I didn't know this discord existed! I'm doing a "Show HN" Hacker News post today for my project that uses htmx, is it okay if I share that here?

#909436816388669530 is calling you

Ah thanks! I'm new to discord in general, sorry for the noob question 😛

pfft - don't sweat it. I've no idea as to whether I just pinged everyone in that channel. This channel is fine for posting the HN link. The other one is probably better for showing off the code. But there's not a lot of difference.

Ah ok, I just posted it there haha. I guess I can copy paste it here, then: Hi all, new guy here. I'm doing a first beta launch of my htmx-driven application today. I'm probably doing all kinds of weird things as I've been hacking away at my own framework while writing this application, so feedback on both user experience and technical things are very welcome! https://withoutdistractions.com/cv Hacker news post, no feedback there yet but I'm still hopeful: https://news.ycombinator.com/item?id=31246696 The app is written in a lisp-like (Clojure-inspired) language named "Janet". More details about that are in the FAQ: https://withoutdistractions.com/cv/faq Oh and my apologies for the clickbaity HN post title 😛

It's hosted in Europe, so the further away you are from there the slower it is. Sorry about that, just got a mortgage so I'm trying to be a bit careful about the cash flow

ah - writing your own framework to play with htmx. I'm not going to throw any stones in that glass house 😄

Hahaha yes, what could possibly go wrong?

Hello #725789747212976259 . Wanted to get critical feedback on this idea I've been thinking about. I'm sure most of us are aware of JS frameworks like React, Vue, Svelte etc. All of these frameworks also have their full-stack framework counterparts like Next.js, Nuxt.js, SvelteKit, RedwoodJS, Blitz.js, etc. These full-stack frameworks were all made to improve the performance of their client-side counterparts, and it's really weird because we find ourselves back at server-side rendering but it's even more complicated and we have to learn about ?hydration? and stuff. So I was thinking, what if we had something like Next.js, Nuxt.js, SvelteKit, etc. but for htmx and hyperscript. This is Hype.js: A general framework for quickly getting HTML APIs deployed. I haven't invested any time into this project yet, but I have created a basic docs page (built with Next.js ironically) to show the ideas behind it here: https://hypejs-docs.vercel.app/

Obviously, htmx doesn't really need a full-stack framework like this, unlike React, Vue, etc. but I do think having a framework like this could make it easier to get an HTML API up and running. It could also help with deployment, so the idea is that statically rendered HTML will be deployed to CDNs automatically like Next.js does it.

I would find it ironic that a frontend project designed to write less javascript would be paired with a javascript backend. There's no such thing as an html backend, but maybe there should be.

Yes, definitely lol In the docs I have reasons why Node.js. This could be done in any language. From the pseudo-docs: For this project, we could've used any server-side programming language since htmx is language agnostic and the architecture of Hype.js doesn't necessarily require any language specific features. I chose Node.js because: JavaScript is popular. If you do web development, you know or should know JavaScript Familiar APIs that web developers use on the frontend also exist in Node.js, like the Fetch API JSON is native to JavaScript Access to many different libraries, especially for HTML templating, which is important in Hype.js Next.js, Nuxt.js, SvelteKit, etc. use Node.js If I had it my way I would build Hype using Haskell since I use it at my day job and I like Haskell, but nobody uses Haskell, and nobody would go through the trouble of learning Haskell just to use Hype. I also strongly considered PHP because more than 80% of the websites we use are built on PHP, but I still feel Node.js is more approachable, especially for newer web developers.

Hype.js is not meant to replace your server-side language of choice. Not at all, I will 100% be using Haskell + htmx still. But I could see it being useful for: - You want something like Next.js, Nuxt.js, etc. but much simpler - You're a beginner web developer - You just want to get an HTML API up and running really fast

how is hype different than adonis?

I am not sure I understand what hype is doing

I support this idea, particularly for javascript because it doesn't have the longer tradition of HTML-driven applications that platforms like ruby/rails, python/django/etc. all have

that said, I know nothing about the current state of affairs in the javascript server side world

and, as a gray beard, I want what you are describing, but for... java

does hype do something ala gatsby?