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  • m
  • m
    of course, the example on wikipedia is idiotic and doesn't use a hypertext
  • m
    as with most articles on wikipedia, if you know the subject matter you immediately wonder how this information ever made it onto a web page
  • m
    but it's all good
  • l
    I think @mysterious-toddler-20573 people are very comfortable thinking as big blobs. The thing is, DataKnots seems much more compatible with HTMX than large component frameworks.
  • m
    Yes
  • m
    People have reverted to the older client-server model
  • m
    layered on top of the web
  • m
    it has advantages, but you give up the uniform access model of the web
  • m
    I don't blame anyone for going with Angular or Vue. It's the IBM and Sun Microsystems of the current zeitgiest
  • m
    "But seriously, you should build your apps using a library written by a random guy living in the frozen tundra of Montana, not by a foundational company in the current online economy with hundreds of developers and billions of dollars available..."
  • l
    Yea, even so that HATEOAS example uses JSON, not HTML and nested forms.
  • m
    I have thought about editing the page, but I don't want to get into it with with editors
  • l
    @User as somone living in Chicago, you make me jealous....
  • l
    My wife teachers here, so I'm stuck.... at least there is lake michigan
  • l
    was really fond of XSLT... I don't quite know why that didn't take off.
  • m
    We have a foot and a half of snow on the ground and it is 8C, with a low of -4 tonight.
  • m
    Anyway
  • m
    XSLT was interesting. I remember going to J2EE conferences where there were whole tracks for it.
  • l
    Ah, yea, I need to bring in the waterhose, it's going ot freeze here tonight.
  • l
    I implemented it back in the day for SoftwareAG
  • m
    It wasn't terrible for a lot of stuff.
  • l
    It was -awkward-
  • l
    The syntax was horrible.
  • l
    The model though is almost the inverse of component based programming.
  • m
    JSON nuked both XML and that eco-system and any sane understanding of REST/HATEOAS
  • l
    XML sucked badly though
  • l
    XSLT with a better syntax rocked pretty hard though
  • t
    aherm
  • m
    When I'm talking w/ folks about REST the conversation goes: them: "htmx is rest. rest is JSON" me: "REST requires HATEOAS. JSON isn't a hypertext. The first letter in HATEOAS stands for Hypertext. So, therefore, JSON isn't a good fit for REST." them: "But rest is JSON. You are stupid." me: stares out window wistfully
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