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  • m
    arguing you should split your general data api and you app API
  • g
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    {
  "section1": {
    "topBoxTitle": "Foo",
    "leftBoxTitle": "Bar",
    "linkToClose": "https://…"
  },
  "section2": {
    …
  }
}
  • m
    next step is to realize you should use hypermedia for your application api
  • g
    i am going to commit crimes (in a video game)
  • m
    to get all the flexibility that comes along w/ that model
  • m
    we all are, Deniz
  • g
    for those who insist on JSON: http://www.jsonml.org/
  • g
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    ["ul",
  ["li", { "style": "color:red" }, "First Item"],
  ["li", {
      "title": "Some hover text.",
      "style": "color:green"
    },
    "Second Item"
  ],
  ["li",
    ["span", { "class": "code-example-third" }, "Third"],
    " Item"
  ]
]
  • m
    😑
  • a
    https://github.com/weavejester/hiccup is a Clojure data DSL to generate HTML, it is used on the server and some use the same syntax in the browser (React wrappers). In Clojure this has some unique benefits, because they are just vanilla Clojure data structures and you have this huge core library that operates on them. You have to have some abstraction over HTML templating in a sufficiently dynamic and complex application, whether you are rendering on the server or client is an orthogonal question. The reason I like htmx is not because I like HTML syntax, but because it provides powerful, clean, utility without overcomplicating client-server interactions.
  • a
    above in response to this
  • m
    yeah, i've always wondered why an s-expression based version of HTML didn't take off
  • a
    Didn't SGML have roots in Lisp?
  • m
    probably, but I've forgotten all that stuff
  • m
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    (html [:span {:class "foo"} "bar"])
    still doesn't look right to me. Something like:
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    (html
    (span {class:"foo"}
        bar
    )
)
    seems rightish (haven't thought about this at all)
  • a
    its a Clojure thing to use [] (vectors) instead of '() (quoted lists) for this kind of thing
  • m
    "still doesn't look right" == "still way better than usual"
  • m
    right
  • m
    makes sense
  • a
    to make it more clear that it is primarily a data structure
  • m
    yep, that's the core problem: is this content or a collection of elements or some mix
  • m
    interesting problem
  • m
  • m
    ruby had this
  • m
    I never liked it though
  • m
    the jetbrains ides make html easy enough to work with so I just ended up preferring that
  • g
    Sure, and I use JSON on the server to define/configure forms because each element is complex, and has a lot of moving parts. It works beautifully. But I think the point here is that expressing a web page 1:1 in JSON (or YAML, or anything else) is just like using HTML but with extra steps.
  • a
    well it all depends on whether the HTML is your final render or if you want to manipulate it before that.
  • a
    often it is the former, but when it is the latter then something like hiccup and similar is very useful
  • g
    Yes, this is true. An intermediate format is useful for that. I haven’t ever needed to do that — especially since HTML has become a pretty standard format across most mediums. How common do you think that use case is?
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