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  • g
    Yes, awesome. There are lots of ways it could be done. The example was just the way to show it with minimal code. Glad you found a solution that works for you!
  • b
    just checked that ... I would love to see that spun forward into a real table application, free from js 🙂
  • b
    neat stuff
  • g
    I’m splitting the difference between pure HTML and HTML+JavaScript. There are some things like animations that just can’t be done with pure htmx. There are other things, like form validation that are certainly possible with htmx, but probably better with js/hs.
  • g
    form validation better with htmx imho
  • g
    except for like
  • g
    What I like most about this community is the willingness to put aside industry conventions and look at what’s really best.
  • g
    data validation like positive numbers, regex matching
  • g
    that i would just use html for
  • g
    Validation is just an example. Yes, it needs to happen in the server too. And writing the same code twice (in separate languages) is a bad time.
  • g
    For that, specifically, I use an independent schema (like JSON schema, but not quite) and then transpire it into both html form validates and a back end validation. It’s turned out really nicely 😀
  • s
    I think this myth about "share code, which you can use on the client and on the server" was fuel for the JS hype. With html5 you can validate a lot on the client without JS. As long as you don't plan to write an offline-first application, I think doing the validation once (on the server) is the best approach.
  • p
    Great work on the 1.4 release! Was able to remove chunks of code thanks to the new "intersect" trigger. Works without a hitch.
  • m
    Agreed!! another beautiful thing is that we all use different sets of tools to do so. I think that adds up to a healthy discussion about web development in general rather than being stuck in the elitist/monolithic mindset of "Y Framework is the best", "X language is so much better" and so on.
  • m

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=MDSwspodFBAâ–¾

  • m
    fantastic to hear
  • m
    100% Conversations online are often dominated by the loudest and most obnoxious, which crowds out alternative view points. There are millions of ways to do things, all with strengths and weaknesses, as well as subjective preferences that are perfectly valid. I have said before: one of the goals of htmx is to be back end agnostic so that you can use whatever you want on the back end. But additionally it is incremental, so you can use it for as much or as little as makes sense on your front end.
  • m
    200% Could not agree more, I have never really understood why everything has to be so black and white. That's probably why its so refreshing to see a community engaging in an open-ended discussion about the web. + your stellar memes doesn't hurt either 🙂
  • m
    Before I was actually refering to @User 's comment "What I like most about this community is the willingness to put aside industry conventions and look at what’s really best." but I must have pushed the wrong reply..... anyways
  • m
    @mysterious-toddler-20573 have you had some thoughts on introducing some sort of prefetching to HTMX? Clearly that a strong point in favor for the "JAM stack" as data loading becomes near instantaneous.
  • g
    there's an extension for that
  • g
  • m
    Man that's awesome! how have I missed this 😄 cheers!
  • m
    our docs definitely need work
  • m
    man, I was going to award robert parker the official music of htmx (he is already the official music of intercooler.js) but this is giving me second thoughts
  • m
    still
  • m

    https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=h3BQN_z7RoU&list=OLAK5uy_mTLFBZ1ahlS87Ma8seE3E01gGCRJk1REc&index=2â–¾

  • s
    We are ugly, but we have the music
  • s
    Does someone remember Visual Basic? IIRC: in the year 2000 almost all job offerings for GUI development asked for Visual Basic knowledge. I think HTML will stay, but maybe React/Vue might leave us. What do you think?
  • s
    The Rise and Fall of Visual Basic @prosetech https://link.medium.com/XUtDX2R5Agb "`VB.NET` gave something that classic VB developers never had before — respect." I guess that's why so many developers use React and not PHP. Let's do it complicated to gain respect.
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