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  • m
    did you get your out of band swap sorted?
  • p
    Yes. You need to make sure there is a target with the matching ID in your DOM already
  • m
    indeed
  • p
    so in this example, I needed to have in the DOM (i.e. an empty placeholder). It's also good idea to make that div style="display:none;" so you don't get any odd side effects when it swaps in
  • p
    and to have hx-swap-oob="outerHTML"
  • p
    (YMMV: this is because my alerts are in a fixed/static position)
  • m
    yeah i currently use tailwind css for a project and the .hidden and .block class comes in handy in these cases
  • p
    same
  • m
    are you enjoying using htmx thus far?
  • p
    Yes. I'm more familiar with turbolinks/hotwire, but htmx is more powerful albeit with a slightly steeper learning curve (just more options, whereas hotwire is more opinionated)
  • m
    that's cool! I havent used it myself, though i think it was DHH tweet that took me down this road "back" in time
  • m
    the fact that htmx is technology agnostic is a big win though, I believe
  • p
    Hotwire is to an extent - I have used it with django - but it requires additional packages. Htmx doesn't really (maybe some helpers for checking request headers, but that's about it)
  • p
    I also swapped out stimulus for alpine
  • p
    overall I prefer the latter, but I can see stimulus being better for larger/less disciplined teams
  • m
    true, still seemed that all tech needs to write extra code to fit the Hotwire narretive..
  • m
    That's nice!
  • m
    never tried any of these frameworks either.. 😄
  • m
    so much to choose and use...
  • m
    I have mainly been using svelteJS for the frontend
  • p
    I've just migrated a side project over from hotwire to htmx - took about a week, but much of that was just unfamiliarity and context switching
  • m
    but i am not convinced that the "JAMstack" is the way to go
  • m
    atleast not for all projects
  • p
    As always "it depends". I don't hate on JS at all, and there are situations when heavy JS usage is justified, but SPA-as-default is a bane on the industry
  • m
    what made you switch to htmx?
  • m
    exactly! no need to hate on anything... all has its usecases for sure and there is some pretty damn cool things happening in the JS space.
  • p
    Couple reasons: it was a lot of work maintaining django packages for Hotwire, plus there's a lot of doubt about the future of Hotwire given recent events
  • m
    And why be stuck with one language, frameworks, stack etc?
  • m
    events?
  • p
    I'd google "basecamp" 🙂
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