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n
I guess you don't sell chametz gamur 😉
p
I don’t understand. TBH this was our pre-Pesach cereal.
n
Wait, this used to be kosher l'pesach?? I assumed it was kitniyos, but now that it's chametz, you can't sell it.
p
it was not Kosher L’Pesach (as far as I know) but we assumed it was only Kitniyos (until I noticed that warning). We are going to sell the 2 we had left.
n
How does it help that it was only kitniyos?
That's why I'm confused
p
Because we would make sure to finish it a couple days before Pesach.
n
Why does it need to be finished? I'm so lost... What am I missing?
p
Because we(Chabad) don’t eat Kitniyos on Pesach
But now that they say “May contain wheat” it’s a whole new problem
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Guess I can’t. I’ll just add it in the thread.
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n
Still confused. We ashkenazim don't eat kitniyos either. Why is it worse that it's chametz? Either way it goes with the chametz stuff
r
"may contain wheat" doesn't mean chametz gamur...it needs to be 15% wheat. The general rule is one of the first four ingredients
g
I mean for us it would make a huge difference. We dont eat chometz around the house once we're cleaned, but we eat plenty of kitniyos until erev pesach. So I'd feed this cereal to my kids in the dining room today if it was kitniyos, and wouldn't care if it was near/in the kitchen either. we have kitnoyos snacks in our kosher for pesach pantry right now, for the kids to eat till tomorrow. If it's chometz though, bringing it anywhere near the house is yaharog val ya'avor
r
growing up, the slogan was "mother approved" is this #politics at play?
p
@nutritious-raincoat-28876 If I find some Kitniyos on Pesach it wouldn’t bother me that much really. Even if one of my little kids ate it, it wouldn’t be such a big deal (I mean we’d obviously get rid of it asap). But Chometz is a Halachic issue to even see on Pesach in one’s property. I just mentioned to my wife “what if our 6 year old found a Kazayis of a bagel and started eating it on Pesach” and her reaction said it all, 😂 .
n
Fascinating. I never differentiated. If something isn't kosher l'pesach, it gets eaten in the chametz zone. Now it all makes sense
f
Kitniyos is batul b'rov, as opposed to chometz which is assur in any quantity. There isn't a concern for kitniyos to inadvertently get mixed into your pesach cooking. (Disclaimer: I am not your LOR.)
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n
Can that be relied on just by checking ingredients? I've been told that understanding what ingredients are potentially problematic requires expertise
w
The nafka mina for me (we don't sell chometz gomur but as mentioned this wouldn't be chometz gomur anyways) would just be where we put it away. All of the chometz getting sold is in one cabinet which is called out in our mechiras chometz shtar. Kitniyos is wherever it is. But this cereal doesn't have nearly enough sugar for my kids to eat it so it's a non-issue anyways 🙂
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n
If you don't sell chametz gamur, what's included in "the chometz getting sold"?
w
taaruvos chometz. Whisky.
(I put whisky separate from taaruvos chometz because it's an old minhag despite it most likely being chometz gomur)
n
So interesting. People I know who don't sell chametz gamur don't sell whisky either. Got most of a bottle of blue label for free once from that (it was not good IMHO)
f
Also, most who "don't sell chometz gamur", will still have a mechira to sell any chometz they don't find.
w
@nutritious-raincoat-28876 in lieu of finding you an actual source, googling found me this Star-K guide in which they call out the minhag - https://www.star-k.org/articles/wp-content/uploads/selling-chometz-gamur-chart.pdf
n
Wow, thanks! I love seeing something like that in print 😀
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r
If you don't sell chametz gamur, what's included in "the chometz getting sold"?
taaruvos chometz, things that are not chometz but have no hechsher, open things that you don't want to throw out, spices, solid makeup (following rav moshe's chumra)
the minhag is to sell whisky also, primarily because the minhag of selling started with people who...sold whisky
and it's not clear that it's chometz gamur, as it may be zeia b'alma
Can that be relied on just by checking ingredients? I've been told that understanding what ingredients are potentially problematic requires expertise
according to my Rav yes. If chometz is in the first three or four ingredients, or is more than 15%, it's chametz gamur
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r
To explain the math, a combination including an issur is called בעין (materially present) if the percentage of the issur is a kezayis out of a pras (6 or 8 kezaysim), but is reduced to תערובת (not materially present but contained within a mixture) if less than a kezayis per pras. The 15% seems like a rounding on the 6 kezaysim shiur for pras (16.67%), although I'm not confident that some wouldn't say to be machmir for 8 kezaysim (12.5%)
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