(re @NoahErgo : *like if i want to find the token id of EXLE ho...*) There is stupid way to find it: buy 1 token and tap on it in your mobile wallet

Id like to know the right way too

i used ergotokens.org and searched by name but this is clunky

if “ErgoPlatformCommunityModerator” dms you they are scammers

(re @NoahErgo : *if “ErgoPlatformCommunityModerator” dms you th...*) Yeah, they are fast

(re @tefcek21 : *help him out! 😭 https://twitter.com/Fernand940...*) all set!

(re @TIMRΣG7 : *https://twitter.com/timreg7/status/16447633103...*) Why we even talk about Cardano here?

(re @NoahErgo : *what is the easiest way to find a tokenid? sin...*) you can do it from satergo if you have the token in your posession

(re @gg : *Why we even talk about Cardano here?*) That was just the quote. And it's true. Ergo is Cardano's peer, not some little brother chain that deserves 1/100th of the use and attention

Don't get me wrong. I like cardano a lot. Way more than eth or any of the other smart contracts chains in the top 10. But that doesn't mean we gotta play second fiddle forever

(re @TIMRΣG7 : *That was just the quote. And it's true. Ergo i...*) I see that 1/100 more as an opportunity

Personally

Let's give us time

Good works always pay off

I'm not disagreeing with you. I guess I didn't feel it was such a harsh comment. In the same line I'd say ada shouldn't be 1/10th of eth

In Ergo, the protocol doesn't know about fees so you can`t just set fees for others. The fee is UTXO with some default contract logic at the moment and then miners are sorting transactions. Any node can set a minimum fee to be accepted.

(re : *<mx> In Ergo, the protocol doesn't know about ...*) That point just made me think, do we have a layer schematic (visual) of the protocol design. I.e base protocol, fees, miner params, rent, emission, etc?

Basically design tech stack?

(re @mhs_sam : *I think this is wrong. - cardano's issue is n...*) Agree on fee market. On number of txs, most of txs on Ergo are not simple transfers it seems, on the other hand, many non-transfer transactions are using key-less contracts so no expensive cryptographic operations. The protocol allows for 1M I guess but a lot of tuning and optimizations still needed in clients, this work is always ongoing. 1M will not appear in one day also.

(re : *<mx> In Ergo, the protocol doesn't know about ...*) Very true. A miner will include a transaction not paying any fee into a block, if there i space there after including one paying for it. However, the reference client are not propagation transactions paying less that min fee (0.001 ERG). Could be changed via setting )

(re @seedubya : *That point just made me think, do we have a la...*) Not quite, also, would be good to outline how critical are agreements (consensus-critical, velvet-forkable, individual etc)

It is complex art and science of agreements on multiple levels )

(re @kushti_ru : *Very true. A miner will include a transaction ...*) Why is there a minimum fee? In the case of a great price increase 0.001 could be alot..

(re @mewtoshi : *Why is there a minimum fee? In the case of a g...*) That’s $1 at $1,000 per erg tho.

(re @dadreboi : *That’s $1 at $1,000 per erg tho.*) $1 is a lot for a transaction

At that point side chains and layer 2 developments would do a lot of single txs and roll them up for cheap all at once no?

(re @mewtoshi : *Why is there a minimum fee? In the case of a g...*) To prevent network spam, and the client does not know any units of account but erg

I still find a fixed minimum fee strange. Monero's fee, for example, decreases when the network usage increases

(re @mewtoshi : *I still find a fixed minimum fee strange. Mone...*) Shouldn't it be the opposite? If network is under load it is safer to raise the minfee

Usage doesn't have to mean that it is overloaded, if the usage increases it could be as a result of the price increasing which means that the fee should adapt