Competition for remote jobs is really high right n...
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Competition for remote jobs is really high right now because of all the RTO going on. I think I liked it better when WFH was like a secret society.
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I'm curious how many folks here have been forced to RTO and also whether anyone said "nope, I quit, I'm only going to work remote now"?
s
I think it's more like the announcement goes out "we'll be RTO X days/week starting [insert date]" and people start sending out resumes. It's a weird job market out there. Lots of job listings, but everything is a job application funnel where things just disappear into a black hole.
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Nope, still WFH. I've let folks know that RTO is "extremely unlikely" in my case, but I think they know this is working, and don't have any actual reason to push it.
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Aside from a brief stint with a startup on the other side of the Bay, I've been WFH since I quit Adobe in April 2007.
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Since pretty much any Bay Area commute would add two hours of unproductive time to my day, any company wanting me to RTO needs to pay at least 25% more than I'm getting now πŸ™‚
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I've RTO one day a week. I find it helps me stay somewhat connected to the folks that have to be onsite through in-person meetings, water cooler talk, lunches, etc. My duties are much more than CFML development though, so I think it makes sense. Am I as productive onsite than at home? Heck no.
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One day a week, assuming commute isn't heinous and there are actual teammates there at the same time, would be ideal. I had a job where the entire engineering team agreed that Tuesdays were the day we were in the office. We allocated time for lunch for team building. The best part? The business realized that we were all in office on the same day and put all of our meetings on that one day.
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Yes, Thursdays are our in-person meeting days. There's always our primary team meeting that day, but we jam as many meetings into Thursdays as we can. It makes for a very fast but tiring day. πŸ™‚
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We all just knew that zero lines of code were written on Tuesdays. But the rest of that lovely, lovely, unscheduled calendar time the rest of the week? Priceless.
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I used to be on-site 100%. When everyone seemed to start the whole RTO, my boss told me "you can stay WFH if you want, you're obviously waaay more productive there than you are here."
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We don't have an office (which makes certain processes harder since we don't have a central front desk phone number and we only have a p.o. box address I think -- if someone like a loan agent needs to verify employment, they have to call a (cell) phone number and leave a message and HR will call them back... since our HR person lives in Romania these days...).
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We were 2 days in the office pre-COVID, we are one day a week in office post-COVID, basically saves me 5+ hours of travel time, like getting almost a full day back a week...
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I've been to an office about 3-5 times since I started my first WFH job in 2008. It works well for me, but there are certainly people that do better in an actual office. I've seen a few people join our team, but then leave because they missed the more social aspects of an in office experience. Others just did not have the self discipline to leave their entertainment devices off and actually do their work while at home.
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To expand on my earlier reply a bit, this company was 100% in-office when I started here in 2019. I'd been mostly self employed or WFH for many years before that, but they wouldn't consider it. Then COVID, and everyone who could had to WFH. At this point they can't say it's not working, it clearly is. Saves me 3 hours of useless and expensive commute time, I get cats, make my own meals, play guitar on lunch break, I'm so in. Not going back. I'd be very very surprised if they'd push it knowing how I feel, and I'm not alone.
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The corporate environment is dying on the vine, In my role, I see WFH, hybrid, and pre-pandemic office environments. It is what I have observed. Office & return to the office only serve managers who cannot manage; the office do nothings and suckups. The most useless appear to be busy, as the doers are inconvenienced and productivity is impacted as corporate "human debt" continues to be a blight to a happy and effective work experience. Hybrid when done correctly is a happy medium for most, while WFH quickly determines who is and who isn't useful for the organization to run effectively.
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The company I work has been allowing us to work remote full time, but now they are talking about bringing the entire work force of a few thousand back in full time. If they do demand that, I’ll be looking for full time remote. I am just not as productive in the office, I chat with coworkers too much and get distracted easily. I can focus on work from home and also I have a healthy work life balance that isn’t doable when going into the office.
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