Devoxx published recordings from their conference. One caught my eye as relevant to this community and interesting counterpoint to @Jeffrey Sherman latest podcast:

Interesting presentation! My sense is that they are talking about transforming software for one customer, to software for many customers. Brian’s experience had a wrinkle where it was transforming from one to many customers AND you are the first customer. ie - they aren’t using the software themselves. 🤔 @Isaac Askew and I should invite them on to discuss 🙂