Ooh I tried to take screenshots of a Final Fantasy world and write medical school notes into it with a photo editor. It didnt work well because I didnt have the time to find the right tools to do it right. It would be nessessary to be able to focus on some parts of the information at a time, the way that Dendron/text editors can navigate to individual notes/text editors can fold code/mindmaps outliners can fold nodes

Do you have any dev experience?

None at all besides some simple automation scripts.

Then I’d say, let’s hunt around and see if there are any tools that are close to your needs

@User Not sure if it exactly fits your needs but this may be of interest: https://www.nototo.app/

Yeah I'm following that project! I'm waiting for local markdown directory support for nototo.

Will also be trying Eaglemode and 3D-topicscape as a D priority next week.

@User @User @User if you haven't already, i would recommend reading moonwalking with einstein: https://www.goodreads.com/notes/10754019-moonwalking-with-einstein/7283025-kevin-lin?ref=bsop it's about using mental palaces to remember absurd numbers of things! as for visual representation, a few thoughts. you can currently export all your notes, including backlinks, using our json pod: https://dendron.so/notes/28dfaaf8-4944-447c-be30-39c514a80bb0.html this means it's possible to build alternative views for your notes today, including 3d models since we now have a web renderer inside dendron, we are planning on adding alternative views on your notes in addition to markdown preview and the simple hierarchical graph. you can see current tasks here: https://github.com/dendronhq/dendron/labels/area.ui

One of my stalled/future projects is to add a plug-in to reveal.js, (a 2d "slide show" presentation framework), tentatively named "nthD" that extends reveal.js to as many dimensions as needed. I've got some some design notes on my github account, (that where my handle "tfer" comes from). It was originally to be based on a fork of "flowtime.js", but that has been chucked as what it did was base on a clever, but not extensible css based animation scheme. If it ever gets built, it should go well with dendron notes, each dotted level added just goes down another dimension. Multidimensional spaces are only hard to visualizes when the each dimension includes the set of Reals, not so much for finite integer sets as we are dealing with here.

if you get around to building it or have published notes, would love to see it 🙂

@User @User fyi, we took your advice and renamed dendron-template to dendron-site! https://github.com/dendronhq/dendron-site

I still need to push the squashed history to that repo 😅

feel free to do it whenever. i will avoid pushing till then

> if you get around to building it or have published notes, would love to see it 🙂 @User The readme at https://github.com/tfer/flowtime.js gives a feel, (with pictures), of what I'm taking about. As I said, I'm jumping to reveal,js, (a Pretty popular slide show presenter). Of course I need to increase my Javascipt knowledge a little...

@User @User @User fyi, we took your advice and renamed dendron-template to dendron-site! https://github.com/dendronhq/dendron-site GitHub I have so further thoughts, questions on this, going to post on the #748936364283920495 channel

> feel free to do it whenever. i will avoid pushing till then @kevins8 sorry for the hold up, this is done. A minor home improvement (changing a light fitting) turned into an epic journey across the city in search of open hardware stores 😅

haha, happens as much as in code as in software.

And then the power went out, may have to wait for tomorrow

@User Yeah! I was looking for ways to better encode the large volume of med school information to my brain in the short amount of time expected, → which lead me to Moonwalking with Einstein and The Art Of Memory by Frances Yates, → which led to attempts using wetware memory only, which was too slow to scale to the speed needed for medical school → a second attempt using playing cards, which had a problem with matching the number of "registers" I needed to memorize with the number of "registers" on the cards, which was constrained to 13 rows of 4 columns in 1D stream → I realized the structural of the information for medical school would best fit as either a relational database or tree data structure → which led to a concept of using bounding boxes on Google Maps Street View to generate a database of "objects" that can hold a searchable number of "spaces" that gets mapped to each piece of information that I needed to memorize → which led me to realize I far lacked the computing knowledge, experience, and familiarity with programming libraries to even start to figure out how to do this → which led to attempts using Libreoffice Draw and MSPaint plus Final Fantasy maps (text overlays better on simpler maps) , which taught me that directory-wide search and text folding are necessary features for managing text, and photo editor text entry isnt enough → many steps later, led me to looking for ways to incorporate zettels and fogtzettels, or a 2D tree structure, to directory namespaces, which led to me being here with you all at Dendron!

@kevins8 and @HeyyyyJinn I agree completely, overall I think you can characterize this as an attempt to expand our “umwelt” hacking https://www.wired.co.uk/article/hacking-senses-adding-more To help us deal collectively with hyperobjects https://www.hcn.org/issues/47.1/introducing-the-idea-of-hyperobjects

@User that's quite the journey you got there 🙂 after I read moonwalking with einstein, I ended up taking pictures of all the rooms I've been in to build memory palaces of things. But ultimately ran into a limit trying to store stuff in my head which led me to make dendron 😅

Where there other things youve looked at in between?

like, ever thought of using a database GUI to write notes, or adding a function to open a markdown editor directly from a database GUI?

@User oh boy, that's a rabbit hole. i started with evernote and one note. when i got over a hundred tags in evernote, I ende up moving my notes into vim. i ended up creating a fork of soywiki (http://danielchoi.com/software/soywiki.html) where I experimented with dendron concepts and its been my main note repository for the past five years. while authoring in soywiki, i've experimented with different "frontends" for my notes. "frontends" i've experimented with: nv, nvAlt, tiddlywiki, media wiki, taskwarrior, bear, notion, roam, obsidian, etc frustrations and inability to translate the hierarchal system i had in soywiki into any of these other systems led me to build dendron :) when you say database GUI, can you elaborate on what you mean?

Ooh ic. Database Gui: using a relational database GUI to store and link your notes and relations.

This app offers drag and drop database designing. so these gui apps can lessen the friction of entering and refactoring structures of notes stored in a database.

If a spreadsheet it a 2D box object and an Excel spreadsheet with worksheets is a 3D box object, would it make sense to think of a database as a 3D Dendron-like object? And we have tools to visualize and navigate a database in 2d or maybe even 3d space, right?

What if someone made a database GUI that opened the y-axis ("rows") of an open format database like sqlite, in a markdown editor

Two tools for structuring and navigating notes in 2D/3D space Ive used are Nototo and 3-D Topicscape, but they frustratingly use either closed formats (3dtopicscape) or SAAS-only(nototo) for user data, when it can done in a sqlite database or filedirectory.

so would this involve navigating dendron like you would navigate a relational database? with possibly a GUI component to do the navigation? i'm definitely intrigued, just want to make sure that i'm understanding this correctly. we are definitely looking at alternative ways of representing your notes. most immediately, its using a mindmap like interface. @User made a proposal (https://dendron.so/notes/533857a4-3dcb-478e-9877-5ab7f94ed6e6.html) which I hope to get to before 2020 is over 😅