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    benhsm | Jack of N trades

    11/25/2021, 5:20 PM
    Katamari is great 😆
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    ScriptAutomate

    11/25/2021, 5:21 PM
    Haha I also love thinking of it as the Katamari Pattern, definitely using it from now on
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    kevins8

    11/25/2021, 5:23 PM
    depending on how you read it, it could be a statement about consumer driven culture. now excuse me as I look at black friday deals...
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    benhsm | Jack of N trades

    11/25/2021, 5:28 PM
    I was thinking, amoebae do both fission and endocytosis
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    benhsm | Jack of N trades

    11/25/2021, 5:29 PM
    so maybe both the pattern in discussion and its converse could be referred to as "the amoeba pattern"
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    kevins8

    11/25/2021, 5:37 PM
    it could though it might be confusing at that point with the overloading. my vote is on katamari 🙂
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    benhsm | Jack of N trades

    11/25/2021, 5:49 PM
    I agree that "amoeba pattern" vs "katamari pattern" is the most fun and probably easiest to use language for the distinction. The technical/conceptual variants of these terms I'm looking for are probably "speciation" vs "abstraction" or some semantically near alternatives
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    kevins8

    11/25/2021, 5:51 PM
    another way of thinking about it is
    modular
    vs
    integrated
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    benhsm | Jack of N trades

    11/25/2021, 5:51 PM
    so then as operations, integrating and modularizing
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    kevins8

    11/25/2021, 5:53 PM
    yeah, that's at least how i think about it
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    benhsm | Jack of N trades

    11/25/2021, 5:54 PM
    seems like one of those meta-patterns that gets replicated with different language in lots of disciplines
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    kevins8

    11/25/2021, 5:59 PM
    yep, and business (eg. apple = integrated, intel = modular)
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    user

    11/25/2021, 11:09 PM
    I'm not trying to start a flame war. I'm new to Dendron. I'm choosing between Foam and Dendron. I don't have a good way to make decision between these 2. There are not too much information out there. And I don't see too much difference between these 2 from the documents. Foam has 10.8k stars on github. Dendron has 2.4k. But it seems Dendron has much higher activities than Foam. Even historically, Foam has much lower activities compared to Dendron. Can someone give me some advice?
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    SeriousBug

    11/25/2021, 11:12 PM
    We actually have something about this on the wiki: https://wiki.dendron.so/notes/p5fMTi-6zOyX1TwhL6dM0/
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    user

    11/25/2021, 11:22 PM
    I saw that wiki page. So is it true that the only difference is to organize the notes in hierarchical structure?
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    kevins8

    11/25/2021, 11:32 PM
    It goes a little deeper than hierarchy and into design & tooling. All note taking tools (try) to make it easy to get notes in but past a certain threshold, it becomes hard to find notes when you need them. It's different for different tools, 100, 1000, 10,000, but no tool really works past 10k notes. Dendron not only makes it easy to get notes in, but help users add a consistent structure to their notes so they can continue to reference and make use of them past 10k notes. See [[Mission|dendron://dendron.handbook/handbook.company.mission]] Further details here -> https://wiki.dendron.so/notes/683740e3-70ce-4a47-a1f4-1f140e80b558.html#how-is-dendron-different-from-x-note-taking-tool
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    user

    11/25/2021, 11:35 PM
    Dendron has much more activities on github. Does it mean Dendron needs more code to achieve the similar features? Or is it because Dendron includes the features from other extensions, so it has more code?
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    kevins8

    11/25/2021, 11:37 PM
    feature wise, dendron probably has more features than any note taking tool besides vim/emacs. we're working on consolidating features to make it not overwhelming to newcomers
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    kevins8

    11/25/2021, 11:38 PM
    Dendron works because we make working with knowledge more like working with code. By this, I mean we add just enough syntax to help enforce structure and then introduce tooling on top of that to make use of that structure. A core example is schemas: this is like a type system that describes how your notes are organized. With schemas, you have one source of truth for the structure of your entire knowledge base. You can, for example, ensure that all your project notes use the same template and are organized along the same hierarchy. You can then use operations like "Lookup" (fuzzy search over your hierarchies) to find specific sections or "Refactor" to update the structures (Dendron will make sure that all links stay consistent).
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    user

    11/25/2021, 11:42 PM
    I see. So Dendron has a more ambitious goal than Foam.
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    kevins8

    11/26/2021, 12:16 AM
    our mission statement 🙂 -> https://handbook.dendron.so/notes/8989a93d-8dde-4a51-bb8d-2aad761c93a1.html
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    user

    11/26/2021, 12:47 PM
    Hi. I'm new to Dendron. Can't figure out how to change the background color of the preview window. Some help please?
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    kevins8

    11/26/2021, 4:39 PM
    currently, its not adjustable. we're adding that feature for the end of the year. we currently have two themes, light and dark that auto changes depending on your vscode color theme
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    pixelmonk

    11/27/2021, 10:07 AM
    you can install markdown preview enhanced and choose from a large list of preview themes
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    Bassmann

    11/27/2021, 11:39 AM
    I didn't specifically try Foam but I'm playing with note taking systems for ages now. Dendron beats all others (even Emacs!) for my use case since it's the only one that allows me to find notes later in an easy way due to the hierarchical structure and lookup as a first class citizen. Not sure why but it's wy better than grepping. Schemas and templates add to this for structured note taking e.g. for meeting minutes, daily notes and others
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    imgl

    11/27/2021, 11:41 AM
    Yeah, it's similar for me. I don't trust the graph-first approach of (f|r)oam to actually let me find stuff. I love Notion, but am not allowed to use it for work and it doesn't have vim shortcuts :D. So for me Dendron is like the Markdown+Editor-tooling (like vim keybindings) version of Notion
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    Bassmann

    11/27/2021, 11:49 AM
    Same here I never managed to understand how graphs are useful. I know a number of people who find Notion indispensable but I find using one tool removes some friction in note taking. I have Vscode open anyway and may work on something when a colleague approaches me for a conversation. Then I just add a note in Dendron or add to my daily journal which is faster than switching tools
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    imgl

    11/27/2021, 1:29 PM
    Well, we're also not allowed to use VSCode for working on the code, so I'll always have that problem anyway :).
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    imgl

    11/27/2021, 1:30 PM
    No, but I've just stared with Dendron and I'm giving it a go at work and depending on how well it does for me over the next couple of weeks/months, I might also switch over privatly from Notion, we'll see
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    imgl

    11/27/2021, 1:31 PM
    But I think the advantage of Dendron is just much less friction adding stuff, so it's good for exactly the thing you described. With notion in private, I'm not adding that much information anyway, so some friction is fine and it does have a nice UI, plus I can share info/pages with my wife 🙂
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