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# citrix-netscalers
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VTScott
12/18/2020, 12:36 PMWhat version of firmware on the ADC?
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Anthony Vrolijk
12/18/2020, 12:38 PM13 build 67.43
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Mike Streetz (O_P)
12/18/2020, 4:41 PMI don’t know that I’ve ever NOT had issues with app flow and cvad, just be lucky you didn’t crash the entire VPX I guess 😂
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Mike Streetz (O_P)
12/18/2020, 4:42 PMare you using logstream or ipfix?
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VTScott
12/18/2020, 4:46 PMSo it's not just me that has bad luck with Appflow.
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Mike Streetz (O_P)
12/18/2020, 4:46 PMappflow has been totally broken almost forever
Mike Streetz (O_P)
12/18/2020, 4:47 PMyou need to dedicate a half day outage window if you want to attempt to turn it on
Mike Streetz (O_P)
12/18/2020, 4:47 PMit’s so risky
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VTScott
12/18/2020, 4:47 PMGave up on it a couple of years ago because of the risks
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Mike Streetz (O_P)
12/18/2020, 4:47 PMI have crashed multiple client netscalers when they asked me to enable it, it might look fine for a day or three and then randomly crash a vpx
Mike Streetz (O_P)
12/18/2020, 4:48 PMit has gotten better but it’s still extremely high risk
Mike Streetz (O_P)
12/18/2020, 4:48 PMlogstream is a lot better than ipfix, I’ll give them that
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Anthony Vrolijk
12/18/2020, 5:02 PMLogstream
Anthony Vrolijk
12/18/2020, 5:04 PMAny alternatives to ADM? Goliath? I need to setup end to end monitoring.
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Mike Streetz (O_P)
12/18/2020, 5:05 PMI think goliath uses appflow though
Mike Streetz (O_P)
12/18/2020, 5:06 PMdo you need hdx insights?
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VTScott
12/18/2020, 5:08 PMWe went the route of egInnovations, but we also have unique requirements which do not apply to many organizations.
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Anthony Vrolijk
12/18/2020, 8:58 PMYeah I need hdx insight
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Mike Streetz (O_P)
12/18/2020, 10:15 PMI don’t know of a way to get that data without ADM, raise a ticket and have them do a packet capture and see what’s going on
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Walter Scott
12/23/2020, 2:18 PMYes we have seen this to be a known issue with appflow and specific version of 12.1 and 13.0 code base... it should have resolved in the November update.