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# generals
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Manoj Nagarajan
09/24/2022, 6:52 PMThanks to @Akash Vacher and @Sushant Mane for this.
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Felix GV
10/06/2022, 2:04 AMIs this interesting for us? https://github.com/docker-slim/docker-slim
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Sushant Mane
10/06/2022, 2:07 AMWow this looks amazing! Thanks for sharing it.
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Felix GV
10/06/2022, 11:25 AMAlso heard good things about this: https://github.com/GoogleContainerTools/distroless
Felix GV
10/06/2022, 11:26 AMI’m sharing but I’ve no idea if it's generally useful or applicable to us or not. Looking to your guidance on these things.
Felix GV
10/06/2022, 11:26 AMAlso: cc @Saxena Amit who had some opinion on docker and kubernetes. Would be great to get the hive mind going on how to improve this aspect of Venice.
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Manoj Nagarajan
10/06/2022, 6:11 PMThanks @Felix GV and @Saxena Amit. I also think we should explore both
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Sushant Mane
10/07/2022, 7:54 AMThanks Felix! These are really cool projects. Will certainly check them out
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Saxena Amit
06/14/2023, 5:40 PMThe distroless and docker slim etc are for minimizing the container size. Thats a optimization we can work on later. Initially its better to start with a normal OS images. Terraform is a provider independent way to specifying containers and deployment . It has a much nicer DSL than others and is an industry standard. terraform has a kubernetes "provider" . However Kubernetes is already a standard and every cloud supports it. So if we go the Kube route we don't need terraform.
Saxena Amit
06/14/2023, 5:44 PMMy concern was about the impact of containers on IO and networking performance. Specially for server. I think the modern container runtimes are pretty good but we might need to tune the settings. We should first have some kind of benchmark to test the performance then compare vanilla vs different container runtimes