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leave a positive trace. tho venue needs to determine what constitutes a positive trace

the contract says leave NO trace, so i think we can kill this channel as LNT doesn’t need a slack channel
can use #soel-volunteers

also no one is trying to make a nice thing for MM at this point

FYI - The bridge near Mud Beach is out. Could be a project for this spring/summer? I know we're not looking for sweat equity but this could be a fun project

The long bridge by the porto that’s been sagging for a long time?

I know Gene doesn't like hard work, but that sounds fun to me!

that’s a lot less hard work than the other bridge. mainly because we can drive to it.

lots of brambles around it; difficult spot to work with overall, but interesting yeah

Looks like Juno &amp; homies were up there wthis weekend and finished the demo, but maybe didn't build a new bridge?

Speaking of that - y’all wanna schedule a weekend? Maybe first weekend post Memorial Day?

Sounds like they are building a bridge that you _cannot_ pass with a vehicle. So the widening project we did last summer (remember with Pearl and Shlomo?) - that was pointless

<@UHJDNGSBF> can you check in with Mack about Chuk's above point? Maybe we can do a work weekend _with_ Juno and homies and make this bridge wide enough?

Where did you get that intel <@UHKBU2AQ7>? I mean it wouldn’t surprise me in the least but I didn’t see this 

<@UHJDNGSBF> this <https://www.facebook.com/autumnsault/posts/10110660105225533?comment_id=10110660357140693|friends-only fb thread>

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wow. ok good reminder, “don’t work too hard”

So who built the ladders and attached them to the floating platforms?

First of all the water is like 3 degrees above freezing. Like actually a hazard to be in for a while, and I had been in for like 30 minutes when I swam out to the platform

I was excited to, for the first time, be climbing onto this platform I had actually never been on

The ladder was like 3 steps, and so you really have to pull the platform down to get your first leg on, then I grabbed the top of the ladder parts to get leverage and pull myself up. Then I found myself underwater with the ladder.

The screws to attach to the platform were very small. Some broke in half and others just stripped out of the wood. Friends of mine who were watching were quite entertained

Then I used it as a boogie board and swam back to shore

yeah the way the platforms are built, there’s not enough to attach a ladder to.

All in all it was an enjoyable experience

we could use metal plates, or maybe tie the ladders on? Bigger screws won’t help much, bc basically they will fail fast bc lake.
We could try rope ladders?
Problem is, I don’t need a ladder to climb onto those things so I’m not very motivated…

just did it bc it was “hang out at the lake” time with nothing to do

I think the right way to do ladders is to buy pre-made commercial pool/platform ladders and attach them. They’re not that expensive ($100) and they don’t have splinters or screws or other bs that’ll deteriorate underwater.

how to attach them? Wood docks are the part that’s weak. Back in the day they used wood for docks, but it was redwood and they still only lasted 2 or 3 years.

Plus the way the metal ladders are designed, they use leverage to distribute the forces differently.

the platform has about 12" of edge you can attach into. The ladder needs to be about 3' long, with almost all force applied to the bottom rung.

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those top tubes go into fittings that are bolted to the top deck. So the attachment points are out of the water AND the most of the force there is down, and not trying to pull the bolts away.

hell, they make ones that don’t need to be bolted down. the leverage works to keep them in place  <https://www.discountramps.com/boarding-ladder-3/p/Boarding-Ladder-3/>

<https://www.homedepot.com/p/Extreme-Max-Weld-Free-Fixed-Dock-Ladder-5-Step-3005-4108/306534951>

Yeah these are good. I threw together those other ladders and put them on as a side project. Glad they held on for so long and supported so many people climbing up!
If anyone wants to save money, I think rope ladder might help too. We just need a way to let a hominid push feet down to stand body up straight. I think 2 steps tied into rope would be ok minimal solution for cheap.

But if we truck out floats, we could also do ladder!!

I think we should build ladders on the lake logs too!

I think they were a great field solution. But I had a hard time using them and I think there were complaints from others with low upper body strength. Proper ladders provide handgrips above the surface of the deck, and I think a rope ladder would be worse for this.

But seriously I like the idea <@UHJDNGSBF>