in remote job if employer from foreign and communi...
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in remote job if employer from foreign and communication is by slack and git only . when i asked for experienced certificate than he is saying we do not provide it . What i do at this situation
His reply is ::
Usually u would put down when u worked for us and our contact details and they would contact me if required?
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Experience certificate is a uniquely Indian and pointless phenomenon. The world is “innocent until proven guilty” by default. Even if you provide an experience “certificate” your employer is likely to try and verify your employment. I get about 3 emails a week for “employment verification”. Just take the contact information and provide to your new HR when they ask. If they don’t employ you because you don’t have an experience certificate, don’t work for them IMHO!
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@cold-school-3088 thanks for this.
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@cold-school-3088 I agree with your point but dont understand how can you say dont work for companys which dont employ without experience certificates? Around 90-95% companies do a background verification or some background screening and ask for all the last employer salary details and certificates without that no one gives job atleast in India dont know about other countries
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@echoing-computer-87366 I don’t know of a single case where someone did not get hired because they could not get an experience certificate. Do you? Just so you know: I’ve directly or indirectly hired of the order of a thousand people across various sizes of companies. On that note: I do know cases where people forged an experience certificate and lost an offer! 🤣 Don’t underestimate your value in the hiring process: they need you (much much) more than you need them. And your (real) experience counts for much more than your (paper) certificate. There are enough jobs that need the real you, more than the on-paper version. And all this is amplified if you are a “skill” employee (for eg. coding). Just to be clear: get your experience certificate when you can. But if you can’t get one - maybe because you had a fall out with your employer, maybe because the company doesn’t exist anymore, maybe they are overseas - don’t worry for a moment; if you are a good fit for a job, they will find a way. The ones that don’t even hire you if you can give them a contact to verify your employment; are more interested in checking boxes than doing any real work.
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Tell the HR that your last employer was a foreign company and they don't provide experience certificates, but you can provide references. Most people would understand and find alternative ways of verifying your last employment status.
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@tall-advantage-5586 Yes this works for most of cases
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@cold-school-3088 I agree with you but not all company HR’s are like you 😀 I had joined one company but after a month I had to leave because they said I was doing contract or work from home that is not considered as relevant work exp.
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I agree with @echoing-computer-87366 here, I understand that companies should be doing things a certain way and some may try to find workarounds to accomodate, but a lot of the larger orgs have multiple layers of HR bodies in between, and almost all of these try to ensure that the papers (that they need to tick boxes) are in place, in case they think that this is not the case, they just refuse to go ahead. In few other cases, I've experienced a large IT organisation refuse to provide an offer unless I gave them experience letters and, the most obvious, salary slips. I am sure that candidates can push back, but in most cases this leads to a narrowing of the pool of available roles/organisations.
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Yes you are right @refined-football-20364
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I am a Senior developer. I don't have one single experience certificate. If anyone asks that I say, Thank you it was good talking to you.
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@millions-ice-83302 quite a few of us here may be able to do that too, nothing wrong with that either. But we do need to realise that it is a privilege to be able to say that, and wait or walk over to another organisation that may be open to a "no paper" policy. A lot of freshies, juniors or people working in more traditional service based organisations either may not have this privilege or may end up with far lesser interview/offer opportunities if they try this.
That said, I do really hope that Indian orgs move towards a more meritocratic process of evaluating a candidate and stop using salary slips and experience letters to eliminate deserving candidates.
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I don't know. You shouldn't be giving into these idiotic demands. By doing that you enable this behaviour.
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@millions-ice-83302 If someone wants to apply for Microsoft, Google, Amazon etc then these large tech companies do ask for salary slips or experience certificate and all these tech companies have proper procedure for verifying details of candidates