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r
So just to confirm, am I correct in assuming that using the playground is currently the only way to show the data in your db when working with Prisma? There is no row/column based browser?
h
Yes
r
I am rather disappointed by that decision then and I don't really understand it, but thanks for clearing that up.
d
I think that feature will be part of GC Cloud.
It would be great to get an indication of when that goes live.
Personally I really like the BaaS features of Graphcool and am happy to pay for them.
h
Yea, but not currently you are using cutting edge technology what develops fast, you need a lot of people to make tools etc. I think graphcool focus now more on main core and then will build tools on top. But yesterday they released Prisma what is foundation right now
d
And a great one at that!
i
You could use a SQL client
d
I can't wait for the scalable cloud version to go live - I'd rather not have to manage SQL/Docker etc.
r
Same, that's why I came to graphcool in the first place. But the more they updated the project, the more they strayed away from the one stop shop idea
d
I feel the same @rein; moreso before I really started to dive deep into the server model - it is just so powerful!
The tools will come soon I think. These guys at GC are turbo...
r
and Prisma, regardless of it being a great tool, leaves more configuration and setup for the users, a lot of which came to Graphcool precisely because they didnt want to be bothered by that
so am I curious to see where this is all headed
d
Me too.
r
I am a single freelance developer who simply doesnt have a lot of time to set up servers and everything, Graphcool was a god sent when I discovered it
d
Absolutely the same.
It actually is the sole reason I chose to do things with Graphql
I do have faith that it will all come out awesome.
Painful at the moment though.
GC is still much better than the other options out there.
r
yea I had been looking forward to the launch, but now I realise it does not solve the problems I need it to solve
h
@rein you can use console projects
r
@develomark but that only makes it sadder haha
@huv1k yes but I will not benefit at all from the improvements and learnings they had over the last year. And also, how long will that still be supported or improved
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there are so many questions left to be answered
d
AppSync is OK for example. But the real power is the CRUD creation in GC. Massive time saver.
r
I tried AppSync but AWS amplify didnt even have social auth
i
Are you guys looking for a CMS?
Based on GraphQL?
r
I am looking for a backend as a service
d
I imbrace serverless and just want a point and deploy option. Which I know will be on its way.
r
I developer react native apps, so GC was great for that
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i
I mean… There’s Now. Up. Lots of tools for that
d
@iamclaytonray no not really, unless it has built in A/B testing...
i
What do you mean by A/B testing?
Like a test suite?
d
Yeah, off thread topic; but a visual CMS with integrated analytics would be useful to me.
i
I can do analytics too
And I’m thinking about integrating deployment options as a GUI
Up. Now. AWS. GCP. Azure. Etc
d
Demo doesn't work.
r
I just need what GC started out with 🙂
i
I know. It’s a fork from someone
I’m rebuilding it the way I want it 🙂
@rein - It will still be a visual GUI. Think of it as a very high quality WordPress written on GraphQL and React 😄
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d
I like it!
@rein probably worth you trying that out. Might give you the tooling you need.
i
With deployment options in the GUI, you can click a button, your app is deployed, and still have a CMS to manage data
And of course, no bloat from WordPress. No plugins. No forms. Nothing. Just data. Everything else you handle on your client(s)
h
@rein I just want to share my opinion about bussines. All companies needs to make money somehow and its easier to make money with few bigger clients, then a lot of small clients because you need to have support team what costs money etc. For bigger companies its easier to have everything automated with APIs, test etc, because when you work in bigger teams you need to be consistent and clickable UI its not that right way. So earning money is crucial to stay in business i know there is a lot of freelancers and they are trying to save money as possible but numbers always favours big companies.
r
yup, I understand that. However, for me its not really about saving money per se, I would have loved to pay a substantial amount of money to GC per month
Its about being able to focus on the core of my business
which is react native development, not devops
and when I first came to GC, it felt like a great solution for that, granted, it wasnt perfect but the team was vocal and always improving the product
h
Yea you can build MVP and then improve it latter
r
but is there anyone who can tell me if there will be a hosted option come like Prisma Cloud or something?
i
I don’t understand; Graphcool Console still exists and is still functional
r
but how long will it be supported
i
Who said it wouldn’t be supported anymore?
r
and will it benefit from everything that Prisma offers in terms of improved stability etc
no,, thats my question
what are the plans
h
You can switch latter
r
where will the focus be placed next
h
Is console version of GC unstable for you?
i
To my knowledge, the Console is still supported and will continue to be supported. Development efforts will continue to be focused on Prisma and Graphcool Framework but that doesn’t mean the Console will not be supported still.
r
I dont really need the console tho, I was happy with the framework still
h
You should focus on your product and get it somehow working and then ship it to costumer get feedback and improve it.
So use framework 🙂 its easy like that
i
I thought you said you wanted the Console?
r
was the console tstill the version where I could push functions to GC via the terminal?
or was that the framework already
i
I’m starting to get confused. Graphcool Console is fundementally different from Prisma. The two can share features but they are not mutually inclusive. Prisma is a GraphQL Engine. Console is a GUI. You can continue to use Console but if you want to use Graphcool Framework and/or Prisma, you’ll need to eject from Console and jump into the code + CLI for deployments.
That is Graphcool Framework, which is still heavily being developed
r
then I was talking about the Framework
okay
i
Yep
🙂
And Graphcool Cloud is still supported too. Some things are bound to change but the core of it will most likely remain. Remember, Graphcool, INC still needs to make some money!
r
I would love to give them my money
thats not the issue haha
i
Just ship an app to production then 🙂
I think everyone’s freaking out about Prisma being released. The GC team isn’t going to put themselves in a position in which they lose all of their customers. They are just rapidly developing more tools for the community alongside their company fast parrot
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r
I understand
d
That's a great point.
Actually quite a few good ones in here.
My guess as well is with the release of AppSync - it has been a mad dash to get and keep developers within the GraphCool ecosystem. Better to give them open source tools, own the dev and then offer them better, must have, paid for tools later.
GC have a real oportunity to be THE Graphql stack, but to do that they need to be pervasive.
I do really hope they push back onto the BaaS platform though. Becuase as with @rein that is what attracted me to GC in the first place.
i
The problem with AppSync is that it’s not extensible.
d
Yet
So, so new.
i
And Graphcool can still act as BaaS
r
I pray they do, I will keep using the framework for now, since it gives me the perfect balance between configuration and ease of use
i
Most people, like myself, prefer a framework or tooling instead of a BaaS
r
but I would love to see some new features like interfaces/unions, cascading deletes, ...
stuff that Prisma does have now
d
Interfaces 100% - also custom deligates.
i
You can use Graphcool as BaaS right now. What I meant was that it’s not the only option. It can be used as a BaaS or it can be used as a framework
r
I am happy with it being a framework that I can host on GC cloud then
i
And with Prisma, it can also be used as an engine
d
I'd just like the DB part hosted.
i
Yep. You can do that
That’s still 100% possible
d
@rein what are the advantages to the framework for you?
i
graphcool deploy
and target a production server
d
But the API is different.
i
How?
d
The bindings are not the same.
i
Same exact API as before
How so?
r
well it gives me more control over the functions and the algolia sync etc
i
It’s a bit more work but the API is pretty much the same
Or you could use the GUI
d
With Prisma they introduced a new API for the CRUD operations. Graphcool Cloud is different.
r
I do very much like the GUI for checking data
I dont understand its not included in Prisma
i
Prisma is an engine
A GraphQL engine
r
I think I just didnt understand what prisma entailed
but for now Ill be using the framework
d
I think I'm still just a bit confused as to the route I should take. But there's that.
r
I do hope that all the goodness of Prisma makes it way to the framework as well
@iamclaytonray the framework also enables hosting options right? atm I can only see shared clusters but thats probably because Im not paying then?
d
No it doesn't.
There isn't a cloud version.
r
well, that sucks
d
(yet)
r
we just have to hope its coming then
i
There is a cloud option: http://www.graph.cool/cloud/
r
yup
so I was right
perfect 🙂
than Ill be suing that for the foreseeable future
using*
i
🙂
Analogy: Imagine a Prisma as the engine of a car and Graphcool Framework as the rest of the car. Prisma is the engine to Graphcool Framework.
r
heh, that makes more sense than anything else I heard today
thanks for the patient explanation clayton
i
Good 🙂
r
I do hope the framework will benefit of all the prisma goodness soon
i
Plenty of people have been there for me to explain things. Just my chance to give back to someone else 😄
r
that cascading delete for example, mm
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j
Would just like to jump in to concur - Prisma isn't "replacing" Graphcool/Graphcool Framework/Graphcool Cloud. As has been previously mentioned, Prisma is one component that GC is built on - it just hasn't made it into GC yet. They aren't stopping offering cloud services, they just haven't used this new "engine" in their hosted product yet. Also as I mentioned before, data browser is coming soon https://www.prismagraphql.com/docs/faq/console-and-dashboard-ikahjeex0x
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