Attention Everyone! Can I get your opinion of working with Graphcool aka Graphcool v1.0 aka ,Prism ?! 😉 How long have you been working with it? What’s good, what’s bad? would you recommend it (with what caveats)? I’m thinking to rebuild my app in graphcool, but it seems things have changed a lot recently. I wonder if it’s perhaps not stable enough for development of a serious, medium-size production application. Would appreciate any wisdom fo the crowd you can collectively provide!

Prisma is the way forward.

@develomark so you recommend avoiding using graphcool as a full-fledged backend database (with authentication, business logic, and permissions? that was the reason we were interested in Graphcool. Prima seems like a lower-level tool, with a steeper learning curve, for creating data layers for external systems.

@Max Hodges even though Prisma doesn't offer these features out of the box anymore, the CRUD API is vastly superior over the 0.x (graphcool-framework) version. Also, the 'missing' features are relatively easy to implement in your own gateway server, and examples and best practices are very quickly emerging to handle those.

but I thought graphcool’s authentication + permissions system was part of the value proposition.

One of the great benefits of the 'Prisma + your own gateway' approach is that you get full control over the schema you will expose to the world, as opposed to getting a full CRUD API endpoint

the CRUD API is vastly superior over the 0.x (graphcool-framework) version.

but not vastly superior over graphcool v1.0?

There is no graphcool 1.0, that is Prisma

right ok. some of the branding/PR was rather confusing.

There was a beta + RC of 1.0 for a while, when that became final, it was renamed to Prisma

so is it true that Prism (graphcool v1.0) is kind of a regression? They’ve dropped built-in authenticate and the full-ledged backend db. it’s not just a kind of graphQL API toolkit?

There is still a full-fledged backend DB

the pre-v1 version?

No sorry, I meant to say: 'Prisma is still a full-fledged backend DB'

i was excited about the idea of graphcool when it was explained to me, but not it seems like quite a mess.

That's definitely a marketing issue, and not a technical issue, I can assure you

Graphcool Framework is an all-in-one backend solution, that’s a great fit if you want to have a fully fledged GraphQL backend.

Prisma

Prisma is an open-source GraphQL query engine10, turning your database into a GraphQL API

Okay, I think this is about what you would call a 'full-fledged' backend db

(and they wrote that to try and clear up the marketing issues!) 😉

If by 'full-fledged' you mean: create a schema, and get a full CRUD API + Subscription API then Prisma still does that

ok. they make it sound like “Graphcool Framework” is more like a Firebase approach..and Prism is a query engine.

You're welcome!

@Max Hodges it would be appreciated it you can post specific questions and/or doubts directly in the mentioned Forum post, so they can be covered there 🙂