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    qr

    05/07/2025, 1:54 PM
    Sounds like that's how it happens due to conditions present in the system.
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 2:15 PM
    "Random coalescence" may be a problem source because if it s a dense plume, random coalescence will occur quite frequently..
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 2:28 PM
    well, the thing is what would be the difference from simply set d0=5 mm then?
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 2:28 PM
    I mean the thing simply goes to d==dmax almost automatically as the alpha air progresses...
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 2:29 PM
    for the values I leaved the default ones but even in the tutorial it completly goes to dmax automatically.
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 2:31 PM
    this is only after 3 seconds of simulation (tutorial) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726377729229979669/1369683032130191451/image.png?ex=681cc03a&is=681b6eba&hm=383a3ce6f9ab440f029f4ade51dd8f7407296ffb03f3ca0c17ed86ed7a9b005f&
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 2:45 PM
    In the above figure, is alpha.air 1 in the whole domain? What's the value in the alpha.air 1 region? (Like U.air will be non zero even when alpha.air is zero)
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 2:45 PM
    https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726377729229979669/1369686688623755294/image.png?ex=681cc3a2&is=681b7222&hm=666f2efd8d8344d2f0807ae120587504d00cde17b1b3b04a6abc1c4d949bc598&
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 3:02 PM
    Looking at the expressions for wake and random coalescence I must say these don't seem extremely well-founded on theory.. more like proportionality based models. So I wont be surprised if careful calibration is needed for coefficients. ( I can't find the cited paper immediately, to see how the original configuration was set up and benchmarked) https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726377729229979669/1369690765130727575/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_9def6cb7-853b-4fd9-8a1d-c972cbc48f99.jpg?ex=681cc76e&is=681b75ee&hm=df9aecb46f2df765b879b21da0e15eecfef5f7fe2ba38759378e9cc002f085fa&
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:06 PM
    https://www.dbpia.co.kr/pdf/cpViewer
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 3:18 PM
    Seeing another issue with the defaults in the tutorial - the mechanism is turbulent breakup (Ut comes from sqrt( TKE)), but the sim is laminar... So no breakup to balance coalescence.
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:18 PM
    why the thumbs down :o?
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 3:19 PM
    Couldn't access, encountered lots of Korean
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 3:20 PM
    From a related experimental benchmarking paper of this work... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726377729229979669/1369695291783250062/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_3129cbe0-4d37-4ea9-94cc-509581644ad4.jpg?ex=681ccba5&is=681b7a25&hm=399d03efd49ce900dc3f85070c66846c853120bcb3046c1a8919fea466abaf52&
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 3:20 PM
    RC is 10x
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:20 PM
    my bad, the uni had acces and didnt realize it was not simply open, the page is in korean but the pdf on it in english
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 3:22 PM
    For random collision the default value seems 10x the specified one in paper https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726377729229979669/1369695948275716147/rn_image_picker_lib_temp_3d4d1daf-4306-488e-98d1-db3049a39541.jpg?ex=681ccc41&is=681b7ac1&hm=1ece4a397992acf7e04520d4b91656994bf908d335a82d890589ac0ca04aeb1c&
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:24 PM
    running
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:25 PM
    same XD https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726377729229979669/1369696751354773616/image.png?ex=681ccd01&is=681b7b81&hm=c354dbdeeec3310371c7e917e44d6d27014927a581e8e2bb610962b82a66f591&
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:26 PM
    I see
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:26 PM
    I will change turb also to see if it imprves
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:35 PM
    well..... something at least not completly dmax now... https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/726377729229979669/1369699202782855310/image.png?ex=681ccf49&is=681b7dc9&hm=51e2093139a6c7ecab1424308a599aa36ef8a57aa8136e3df47c193a53d7cf01&
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 3:35 PM
    Does it keep increasing even if you set ridiculously large values?
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 3:35 PM
    For dmax
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:38 PM
    nop!
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:38 PM
    it actaully does not go as low nor as high as the boundaries
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:40 PM
    https://tenor.com/view/nice-south-park-gif-17950420
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 3:40 PM
    There are a bunch of papers by these guys - along the lines of benchmarking the IATE model for different geometries etc. see if you spot a better suited set of coefficients for your config. (Like bubbly vs churn-turbulent), shape of column..
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    otaolafr

    05/07/2025, 3:41 PM
    but at least I will add the things you spoted into an issue as they are clearly errors (y)
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    qr

    05/07/2025, 3:42 PM
    I guess it maybe better to just move the tutorial to RAS and change the coefficient