high eou delay
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high eou delay
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Thanks for reaching out, Taresh. I'm an AI assistant and I'm here to help. Give me a moment while I research this topic.
Thanks — I’m looking into your high EOU (end-of-utterance) delay. To narrow this down, could you share the following: 1. Where the agent is deployed (AWS instance type like t3/t4, m5/c5, or on‑prem)? 2. Which turn-detection you’re using (VAD, STT, the transformer turn detector plugin, or server-side detection)? 3. Is the delay consistent for all utterances or only for some (specific prompts, times of day)? 4. Any recent changes (instance type, config, code, or traffic) and approximate delay numbers you’re seeing (e.g., 3s, 6s)? Once you provide that I’ll recommend targeted steps (CPU/instance checks, turn-detector tuning, and observability traces to inspect EOUMetrics). Sources: Troubleshooting Latency and Timeout Errors with Turn Detection on AWS | How does end-of-utterance detection work in conversations? | Improving voice AI's turn detection with transformers | Agents (Python) | livekit/livekit_composite | DeepWiki | Observability data hooks | LiveKit docs
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so Im facing high eou delay around 1.2 sec. I am using a local instance of whsiper which generated transcription in 300-350ms. then there is silero vad and the livekit turn detection model. tell me what all settings are there which I can optimised to reduce this eou latency?
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Thanks — you're using local Whisper (~300–350 ms), Silero VAD, and LiveKit's turn detector and seeing ~1.2 s EOU. Below are the settings you can tune and practical recommendations to reduce EOU latency. Voice activity / silence settings (Silero VAD) • VAD frame size / hop: reduce frame length if configurable (smaller frames detect speech end sooner). Tradeoff: too small increases false positives. • VAD aggressiveness / threshold: lower detection latency by making the VAD more sensitive to speech end; watch for premature cutoffs. • Post-debounce / padding: reduce any silence padding after VAD end-of-speech (often a few hundred ms). STT/transcription timing • Whisper batching/flush: ensure Whisper streams partial transcripts with minimal buffering; reduce any internal buffering or aggregation windows. • Parallelize: return interim results quickly and mark finalization separately so turn detector can act on speech end rather than waiting for final transcript. LiveKit turn detector settings • min_endpointing_delay: lower this from the default (500 ms) toward a smaller value to allow faster endpointing when confidence is high. • max_endpointing_delay: reduce if you rarely need long waits for low-confidence cases. • confidence thresholds: raise required confidence for longer waits; conversely, lower thresholds to accept quicker endpoints (tradeoff: correctness). • model-specific timeout/latency params: if using the transformer detector, tune its aggressiveness or semantic lookahead window to reduce added delay. End-to-end timing and metrics • EOUMetrics: inspect
end_of_utterance_delay
and
transcription_delay
to see where time is spent (you already have ~300–350 ms transcription). • Correlate VAD end timestamp, STT final/interim timestamps, and turn-detector decision timestamp to identify which layer adds ~800–900 ms. Infrastructure checks • CPU / process latency: ensure VAD and turn-detector processes are not CPU-throttled; even if Whisper is local and fast, CPU contention can delay VAD/turn-detector callbacks. • I/O and thread scheduling: run VAD, STT, and turn-detector in low-latency threads/processes and avoid blocking operations between them. Practical step-by-step to try now 1. Reduce Silero VAD post-debounce/padding by ~100–200 ms and test. 2. Decrease
min_endpointing_delay
to 200–300 ms and lower max to ~2–3 s. 3. Ensure Whisper streams interim results immediately (no extra buffering). 4. Measure EOUMetrics after each change to confirm improvement. 5. If still high, profile CPU/threads for the VAD and turn-detector processes. If you want, tell me the current values for Silero padding/debounce and your LiveKit `min_endpointing_delay`/`max_endpointing_delay` and confidence thresholds and I’ll suggest exact numbers to try.
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okay tell me the exact settings name which i can tweak - regarding the silero VAD, turn detection, etc. which are present in livekit
t
You said you have ~1.2s EOU, Whisper ~300–350ms, Silero VAD + LiveKit turn detector. Below are the exact setting names you can tweak (with short purpose and suggested ranges) to reduce EOU latency. Silero VAD (plugin / loader settings) •
min_silence_duration
— silence required to mark speech end. Default ~0.55s. Try 0.2–0.4s. •
min_speech_duration
— min speech to start a segment. Default ~0.05s. Keep 0.03–0.05s for short utterances. •
activation_threshold
— confidence threshold for speech detection. Default ~0.5. Increase in noisy environments (0.6–0.7) or lower (0.4–0.5) for earlier detection. •
prefix_padding_duration
— audio padding before speech start. Default ~0.5s. Try 0.1–0.3s to reduce latency. • (If present)
post_debounce_duration
/
suffix_padding
— silence appended after speech end. Reduce by 100–250ms. Whisper / STT streaming settings •
streaming
/
partial_result_interval
(or provider-specific buffer/window) — ensure interim/partial transcripts are emitted quickly; reduce buffer window to 100–200ms if configurable. •
batch_size
/
audio_chunk_size
— lower chunk sizes to get earlier partials (tradeoff: CPU). LiveKit turn detection / endpointing (AgentSession / TurnDetection options) •
min_endpointing_delay
— minimum delay after high-confidence end. Default 0.5s. Try 0.2–0.3s. •
max_endpointing_delay
— maximum wait for low-confidence cases. Default up to 6s. Try 1.5–2.5s. •
end_of_turn_confidence_threshold
(STT-based) — threshold for STT semantic endpointing. Default ~0.4. Try 0.25–0.35 for quicker endpoints (watch false positives). • For realtime/OpenAI plugin:
silence_duration_ms
— default 500ms; try 250–350ms. • For semantic/transformer detector:
eagerness
(or similar param) — values like `low`/`medium`/`high`; set to
high
for faster endpointing if available. Agent / session-level and plugin wiring •
turn_detection
— set to
vad
(fast VAD-only),
stt
(STT-based endpointing), or `multilingual`/transformer model. Use
vad
or
stt
for lower latency; transformer adds semantic checks and may add delay. •
vad
plugin reference — ensure LiveKit session references your tuned Silero VAD instance (no extra padding added by session layer). Observability / metrics to measure changes •
EOUMetrics.end_of_utterance_delay
— primary metric to watch. •
EOUMetrics.transcription_delay
— confirms STT time. • Correlate timestamps: VAD end → STT interim/final → turn-detector decision. Practical tuning order (apply one change at a time and measure) 1. Reduce Silero `post_debounce`/`min_silence_duration` by ~100–250ms. 2. Ensure Whisper streams partials (reduce STT buffer). 3. Set
min_endpointing_delay
= 0.2–0.3s and
max_endpointing_delay
= 1.5–2.0s. 4. If using STT endpointing, lower
end_of_turn_confidence_threshold
to ~0.3. 5. Re-measure
end_of_utterance_delay
after each step. If you want, share your current values for: •
min_silence_duration
,
prefix_padding_duration
, any `post_debounce`/`suffix_padding` in Silero; and •
min_endpointing_delay
,
max_endpointing_delay
, and
end_of_turn_confidence_threshold
in LiveKit, and I’ll recommend exact numbers to try next. Sources: Silero VAD plugin | LiveKit docs | Improving voice AI's turn detection with transformers | How does end-of-utterance detection work in conversations? | OpenAI Realtime API plugin guide | LiveKit docs | LiveKit turn detector plugin | LiveKit docs