little-magician-85414
07/31/2025, 12:18 PMendpointing_ms does not help cause i think it is for complete turn end so agent can respond and not for within a user’s speech.
stt=stt.FallbackAdapter([
deepgram.STT(model=config.survey_data.get('deepgram_stt_model', ''),endpointing_ms=50),
]),
Any other options to create longer user voice messages? (edited)tall-airline-16756
07/31/2025, 12:18 PMtall-airline-16756
07/31/2025, 12:19 PMisFinal flag being triggered too quickly, you can try the following approaches:
1. Adjust Endpointing Delays
• Configure the min_endpointing_delay parameter. The default value is 500ms, meaning an end-of-turn event is triggered after 500ms of silence. You can increase this value to allow for longer pauses within a user's speech.
• For more control, you can also adjust the max_endpointing_delay parameter, which is used for low-confidence scenarios (default: 6.0s).
2. Choose an Appropriate Turn Detection Mode
• LiveKit supports multiple turn detection modes:
◦ `"vad"`: Uses silence detection (default fallback).
◦ `"stt"`: Uses speech-to-text end-of-speech signals.
◦ `"realtime_llm"`: Uses server-side detection from real-time models.
• Choose the mode that best fits your use case. For example, "stt" mode may provide better results for longer utterances.
3. Configure VAD Sensitivity
• Adjust the min_silence_duration parameter to control how long the system waits before considering speech to have ended. Increasing this value can help reduce premature message splitting.
4. Implement Message Aggregation Logic
• For fragmented messages, you can implement logic to aggregate partial messages until they are marked as final. This ensures that momentary silences do not result in separate messages.
These adjustments should help create longer and more cohesive user voice messages. Let me know if you need further details on implementing any of these configurations.
Sources: Improving voice AI's turn detection with transformers | Agent Testing & Evaluation | livekit/livekit_composite | DeepWiki | livekit-plugins/livekit-plugins-assemblyai/livekit/plugins/assemblyai/stt.p... | VoiceAgent/Chat/Receive/TranscriptionStreamReceiver.swiftlittle-magician-85414
07/31/2025, 12:41 PMdef create_agent_session(config):
"""Create the agent session with plugins"""
return AgentSession(
turn_detection=MultilingualModel(),
min_endpointing_delay=5.0,
allow_interruptions=True,
vad=silero.VAD.load(),
stt=stt.FallbackAdapter([
deepgram.STT(model=config.survey_data.get('deepgram_stt_model', ''),endpointing_ms=5000),
]),
llm=llm.FallbackAdapter([
anthropic.LLM(model='claude-sonnet-4-20250514'),
openai.LLM(model=config.survey_data.get('openai_llm_model', '')),
]),
tts=tts.FallbackAdapter([
elevenlabs.TTS(voice_id="UEKYgullGqaF0keqT8Bu", model="eleven_multilingual_v2"),
]),
)tall-airline-16756
07/31/2025, 12:42 PMendpointing_ms set to 5000, no worries — here are some tweaks you can try out:
1. Lower Deepgram's endpointing_ms Value
• Try setting endpointing_ms to a smaller number, like 100ms, so it recognizes when speech is done a bit faster:
stt = deepgram.STT(
endpointing_ms=100 # Lower value for quicker response
)
2. Adjust LiveKit's Turn Detection Settings
• Instead of depending only on Deepgram’s endpointing, you can use LiveKit’s turn detection with some thoughtful delay settings:
session = AgentSession(
min_endpointing_delay=0.5, # 500ms minimum delay
max_endpointing_delay=2.0 # Shorter than the default 5.0s
)
3. Turn Off Deepgram Endpointing
• If you want, you can completely disable Deepgram’s endpointing and just rely on LiveKit’s system:
stt = deepgram.STT(
endpointing_ms=0 # Disable Deepgram endpointing
)
4. Try a Multi-Layered Approach
• Mix a reasonable endpointing_ms setting with LiveKit’s turn detection for smoother control:
stt = deepgram.STT(
endpointing_ms=25 # Default value
)
agent = VoicePipelineAgent(
stt=stt,
min_endpointing_delay=0.5,
max_endpointing_delay=2.0
)
Hopefully, these ideas help cut down on those annoying breaks in voice input and keep your conversations feeling natural. If you want to tweak things more or have questions, just let me know — I’m here to help!
Sources: livekit-agents/livekit/agents/voice/audio_recognition.py | Deepgram STT integration guide | LiveKit Docs | VoicePipelineAgent | LiveKit Docslittle-magician-85414
07/31/2025, 12:50 PMtall-airline-16756
07/31/2025, 12:51 PMendpointing_ms Value
• endpointing_ms sets how long (in milliseconds) the system waits during silence before deciding the speech has ended. If this is set too high (like 5000ms), it causes long delays and can fragment the input because the system waits too long to wrap up speech segments. Bringing this down (say, to 100ms) helps the system finalize speech faster, reducing fragmentation.
2. Configure LiveKit's Turn Detection Parameters
• LiveKit’s min_endpointing_delay and max_endpointing_delay control how long it waits before recognizing the end of a turn. Setting min_endpointing_delay to 0.5 seconds and max_endpointing_delay to 2.0 seconds gives room for natural pauses without cutting the turn off too soon. It’s a nice balance between being responsive and accurate.
3. Disable Deepgram Endpointing
• Turning off Deepgram’s endpointing (endpointing_ms=0) means LiveKit takes over detecting when speech ends. This works well when LiveKit’s system is better suited for your app’s needs, especially if you’re dealing with longer or more complex speech patterns.
4. Use a Multi-Layer Approach
• By combining a moderate endpointing_ms value (like 25ms) with LiveKit’s turn detection settings, you get the best of both worlds. Deepgram handles the fine details of speech completion, while LiveKit manages the bigger picture of turn-taking. This helps speech get finalized quickly without unnecessary breaks or delays.
Each of these ideas targets different parts of the problem—cutting down delays, handling pauses smoothly, and syncing Deepgram with LiveKit just right. If you want me to go over anything in more detail or tweak these suggestions, just let me know—I’m here to help!